Quote (ChrisKz @ 14 Feb 2017 06:21)

People who can't understand concepts quickly are plebeians who need to study to pass college. They do not belong there.

Quote (Scaly @ Feb 14 2017 09:50pm)

Tough talk from an English major. :banana:


On topic though -

For reals chaps, time is not just a concept. It's a measurable phenomenon. That's why we have 'spacetime' and not just space. Time bends. It slows down and speeds up dependant upon the forces acting upon and within spacetime. It is relative dependant upon where it is observed from. Etcetcetc...

The big bang is the rapid expansion and possible birth of not just space but also time. I reiterate - talking about a before time existed is nonsensical.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 14 2017 05:34am)

The new testament makes being disobedient to your parents an equal sin to either thing mentioned yet you do not see people out in the streets holding up signs about that one.
Calling some one a fool will send you straight to hell, no christians out protesting that one..
Marrying some one who has divorced is also just as big of a sin as homosexuality.. *crickets"
Jesus teaches us not to judge others and to do what you can for those in need, not to hate anyone who's lifestyle you disagree with.
The lord is the judge, not man.

Edit: I have grabbed my bible, ill go grab you some scripture.


Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ok so here we have, adulterers, people who have sex outside of marriage, pimps, dirty people, witches (guess these exist?) People who hate (that is all you guys who preach about homosexuality), emulating others ?, being drunk or having parties..
All deadly sins as stated in revelations and corinthians.

So why do you guys only talk about homosexuality and abortion?
Where are the signs about remarrying?
Where are the signs about bad washing habits?
Where are the signs about drinking or having a party?

Another gem i had to dig up:

Matthew 5:22

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Quote (Plaguefear @ 14 Feb 2017 11:40)

"Possible birth of time".
Time came into being when entities had the power to actually measure it and we can apply it to anything.
The big bang may have happened 14 billion years ago, but whatever happened before that can still be judged by the same measure of time.
There may have been 20 billion years of pretty much nothing before the big bang, but we may eventually be able to point to a time within that 20 billion years where something may have started to happen.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 14 2017 05:40am)

"Possible birth of time".
Time came into being when entities had the power to actually measure it and we can apply it to anything.
The big bang may have happened 14 billion years ago, but whatever happened before that can still be judged by the same measure of time.
There may have been 20 billion years of pretty much nothing before the big bang, but we may eventually be able to point to a time within that 20 billion years where something may have started to happen.

Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Feb 2017 15:09)

im glad i left this thread. chris took my place though, everyone seems to have enjoyed that.

Quote (Scaly @ Feb 14 2017 10:33am)

Whatever else he is he's always good for a laugh.

Quote (Voyaging @ Feb 14 2017 07:06am)

I've heard very similar thoughts from some prominent Muslim scholars. That God at every single moment in time wills the universe to exist.

Rest is over my head.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Feb 2017 15:09)

In order to understand why that doesn't necessarily make sense requires a bit of reading, and I'm not really qualified to say anything beyond that than "Steven Hawking says you're wrong, and this is actually his area of expertise."

So yeah. Fascinating stuff.

However I wouldn't say time came into existence when somebody came around to measure, it came into existence when something became measurable with respect to time, and that was basically at the big bang. Prior to that time as we know it doesn't really apply in a causal sense.