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Feb 13 2017 11:47am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 13 2017 06:45pm)
There's been at least two attacks in the past 3 months here in the states by 'home grown" radicalised muslims




But you have people on the left claiming climate change is the number 1 threat to America

3 attacks?
The left will claim that it will get better with time if we let more in.
Naive leftists :)
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Feb 13 2017 11:53am
Quote (BiGBraD @ 13 Feb 2017 18:47)
3 attacks?
The left will claim that it will get better with time if we let more in.
Naive leftists :)


you mean "let in" more home grown terrorists? tell me agaiin how that works please...
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Feb 13 2017 11:55am
Quote (fender @ Feb 13 2017 06:53pm)
you mean "let in" more home grown terrorists? tell me agaiin how that works please...


Tell me more about how your stupidity will ruin civilization :)
Fragile kids like you didn't built first world civilization
Men of pride, honor and courage did
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Feb 13 2017 12:03pm
Quote (Gastly @ Feb 13 2017 12:46pm)

And as it happens they are correct in their assessment.


Except they're not, in any capacity. Terrorism claimed the lives of 5 innocent Americans in January. How many did climate change slay ?

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 13 2017 12:47pm)
2 deaths a month is not a relevant number.


Except they killed 5 people last month. How many people do radical Muslims have to murder a month before it becomes relavent in your eyes ?
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Feb 13 2017 12:04pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 13 2017 07:03pm)
Except they're not, in any capacity. Terrorism claimed the lives of 5 innocent Americans in January. How many did climate change slay ?



Except they killed 5 people last month. How many people do radical Muslims have to murder a month before it becomes relavent in your eyes ?


The more the better if you ask those self-loathing leftie kids
They want their kids to be oppressed, sick people...

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Feb 13 2017 12:13pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 13 2017 11:03am)
Except they're not, in any capacity. Terrorism claimed the lives of 5 innocent Americans in January. How many did climate change slay ?



Except they killed 5 people last month. How many people do radical Muslims have to murder a month before it becomes relavent in your eyes ?


2 deaths a month over your chosen interval of 3 months is not a relevant figure. And don't start bitching about the interval since YOU chose it.

Five deaths this month is not a relevant figure. In fact, after 9/11, from 2002-2014 we averaged about 3.5 deaths a month from terror attacks (source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/). Now, if we were talking about something like a death a day, or a death every other day, we might have something worth discussing. But a death every ten days in a nation of nearly 320 million? Irrelevant. When terrorism is barely beating out lethal dog attacks (about 10 more people die per year from terror related attacks in the U.S. than from dog attacks: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php), I think we have bigger fish to fry.

I'm not going to play the No True Scotsman game and I'm not going to try and throw out an estimate of what theoretical number might be relevant. But I can tell you that the current number we're at, and the number we were at through Bush AND Obama's presidencies (excluding 9/11, which is an obvious outlier and skews the dataset) is not a meaningful number and not something to be concerned about.
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Feb 13 2017 12:15pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 13 2017 07:13pm)
2 deaths a month over your chosen interval of 3 months is not a relevant figure. And don't start bitching about the interval since YOU chose it.

Five deaths this month is not a relevant figure. In fact, after 9/11, from 2002-2014 we averaged about 3.5 deaths a month from terror attacks (source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/). Now, if we were talking about something like a death a day, or a death every other day, we might have something worth discussing. But a death every ten days in a nation of nearly 320 million? Irrelevant. When terrorism is barely beating out lethal dog attacks (about 10 more people die per year from terror related attacks in the U.S. than from dog attacks: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php), I think we have bigger fish to fry.

I'm not going to play the No True Scotsman game and I'm not going to try and throw out an estimate of what theoretical number might be relevant. But I can tell you that the current number we're at, and the number we were at through Bush AND Obama's presidencies (excluding 9/11, which is an obvious outlier and skews the dataset) is not a meaningful number and not something to be concerned about.


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Feb 13 2017 12:16pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 13 2017 12:36pm)
thank you, great thread, let's not forget that the vast majority of victims killed by "radical islamic terrorism" or "violent extremism", whatever you want to call it, are muslims.

let's stop pretending the nations who brought war to these regions, destabilised them, and played a huge role in creating the likes of ISIS don't have an obligation to help solve these problems.
like they can just close their borders, pretend they have nothing to do with it, and leave it to other nations, who don't happen to have an ocean between them and those regions, to deal with them...


I think that's a simplistic way to look at it. The middle east is the most unstable region in the world, and it has been for decades. Had we not invaded Iraq, I don't think there's any reason to believe it would be stable today. Perhaps Iraq would've gone to war with Iran again, perhaps Saddam would've had to fight off a rebellion like Assad, who knows.

I agree with the last line though. I'm skeptical of foreign intervention but Syria is a great example of what happens when the United States is indecisive.
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Feb 13 2017 12:27pm
Aaaand least intelligent post of the day award goes to:

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 13 2017 10:03am)
Except they're not, in any capacity. Terrorism claimed the lives of 5 innocent Americans in January. How many did climate change slay ?

Except they killed 5 people last month. How many people do radical Muslims have to murder a month before it becomes relavent in your eyes ?


https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/diesel-exhaust-and-cancer.html

The factors that are causing climate change are also increasing the rates of cancer and diseases among the entire population, not to mention the economic impact of disasters caused by climate change.

This post was edited by sylvannos on Feb 13 2017 12:29pm
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Feb 13 2017 12:29pm
many things started with 1991 iraq war, weapons of mass destruction etc... congratulations. The 2003 iraq 2 war totally not justified validate my point.

with a little bit of luck, trump will go in the same direction, just to hide his failure/tricks. Private corporations and highly opportunistic governments are not the solution... 🙋



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