Quote (AU5TIN @ Feb 26 2017 09:30pm)

Personally i dont like death at all. Its way o/p just like prudence. And i even think prudence should be banned tbh along with death. If both were allowed there would be no creativity to a build at all. Which sets zeal apart a bit from bvb. Bvb is alot less rng, so the lack of creativity except hat and sometimes armor makes it okay. But with zeal which so much more random i think it would make things so stale. There would literally be NO best build and it would be all just am i lucky or not. I think if you take out prudence it opens to door to a lot more creativity, shaft/phoenix will become viable again, templars might, helll even fort. But right now EVERYBODY uses prudence its annoying tbh. But those are the rules i didnt help make the rules, i just follow them. Some people like death such as scott (zealordeal) most of us hate it (bosu, me, etc) so you know its all opinion.

Quote (AU5TIN @ 26 Feb 2017 21:30)

Personally i dont like death at all. Its way o/p just like prudence. And i even think prudence should be banned tbh along with death. If both were allowed there would be no creativity to a build at all. Which sets zeal apart a bit from bvb. Bvb is alot less rng, so the lack of creativity except hat and sometimes armor makes it okay. But with zeal which so much more random i think it would make things so stale. There would literally be NO best build and it would be all just am i lucky or not. I think if you take out prudence it opens to door to a lot more creativity, shaft/phoenix will become viable again, templars might, helll even fort. But right now EVERYBODY uses prudence its annoying tbh. But those are the rules i didnt help make the rules, i just follow them. Some people like death such as scott (zealordeal) most of us hate it (bosu, me, etc) so you know its all opinion.

Quote (AU5TIN @ Feb 26 2017 07:33pm)

:wallbash:


Lol this has been the rules for zeal for a long time. No death, stash is allowed, etc. why do new people always complain? Its how its been for years now.

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Feb 26 2017 10:19pm)

Because rules are arbitrary and can be changed in a moment. All it takes is consensus.

Death was GM for a long time until Jay Toyota decided he didn't like it and hosted a bunch of tournaments with it banned eventually it became accepted.

I've broken the numbers down before . I'll do it again

Death stats is
180-530 dmg 49 DS 50 CB

LoLo fools 300 ed 40 is
144-473 40 DS 1584 AR

So negate the values.. and THINK

36-56 damage 9 DS 50 CB

Vs.

40% ias 1584 AR

Which is more powerful and build enabling????

Don't be stupid and say it's 36-56 dmg 9 DS and 50 CB

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ 26 Feb 2017 22:19)

Because rules are arbitrary and can be changed in a moment. All it takes is consensus.

Death was GM for a long time until Jay Toyota decided he didn't like it and hosted a bunch of tournaments with it banned eventually it became accepted.

I've broken the numbers down before . I'll do it again

Death stats is
180-530 dmg 49 DS 50 CB

LoLo fools 300 ed 40 is
144-473 40 DS 1584 AR

So negate the values.. and THINK

36-56 damage 9 DS 50 CB

Vs.

40% ias 1584 AR

Which is more powerful and build enabling????

Don't be stupid and say it's 36-56 dmg 9 DS and 50 CB

Quote (Bosu @ Feb 26 2017 09:23pm)

Quote (AU5TIN @ Feb 26 2017 09:22pm)

I know scott, in my personal experience death is overpowered, i always lose to death, and when using death i always win, and thats all i see happen. Ive lost to death many more times than i have beaten death while using a 2 soc eth rep fool.

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Feb 26 2017 10:30pm)

Fools is 16 ar per clvl

Bro 20% AR is nothing compared to 1584 Base attack rating. It's practically not even worth mentioning.

20% AR means 20% off the base. Say you have 3k attack rating base 20% is 600 attack rating.

1600 base attack rating * 800% bonus =14k AR




Thats gotta be a joke. Wager me 20k you can beat my fools build with your death build in ft20 and I'll make a west zealer and take your 20k :)

Quote (AU5TIN @ Feb 26 2017 09:36pm)

I dont even hve a death build lmao.

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Feb 26 2017 07:41pm)

Keep in mind this rule was put in place before CF and when one eth repair fools existed on the realm.