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#21
Oct 10 2016 05:46pm
Quote (Leee @ Oct 10 2016 05:45pm)
He believes women should be grabbed by the genitals and he can get away with it because of celebrity.
He believes not paying taxes for 20+ years is in some way good.
He believes he is not offensive.


Trump needs to field the tax question better. There's legitimate defenses for not paying taxes in real-estate, but Trump is too much of an idiot to actually communicate them.
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Oct 10 2016 05:47pm
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...The other is Hillary Clinton. The following is a list of crimes Trump has committed either personally, through his campaign, his Foundation, or through Trump Organization. It's not a comprehensive list; feel free to let me know if I missed anything because I just quickly uncoupled this from a much larger network of researching and sourcing upon request.
  • 1) Made illegal $25k political donation out of his charity that he then attempted to fraudulently cover it up by pretending it was intended for a different entity.
  • 2) Repeatedly solicited donations from members of foreign governments. Even continued to do months after a complaint was filed with the DOJ, with Vicente Fox claiming he received a fundraising ask in an email in late September.
  • 3) Trump Model Management encouraged foreign models to violate immigration laws by lying to customs officials, and then hired them to work in the U.S. illegally while it kept them in squalid conditions and earning almost nothing for their work.
  • 4) Illegally used campaign funds to buy his book wholesale instead of setting up a committee.
  • 5) Illegally jacked up the rent at Trump Tower in July; so either he was charging below market value when he was self-funding, or he was overcharging now that GOP donors are on the hook.
  • 6) Trump’s housing charges related to housing discrimination.
  • 7) Trump’s $750k payment to the Federal Trade Commission over charges he violated anti-trust laws when trying to take over a rival casino company.
  • 8) Trump’s habitual refusal to pay contractors who did work for him, putting a lot of them out of business.
  • 9) The rape charge made by Ivana in a deposition she’s never withdrawn, due to the threat of perjury.
  • 10) Trump University, not just the fraud and racketeering charges that pertain to the victims but the bribery that pertain to Bonbi/Abbott etc.
  • 11) Fraud charges related to The Trump Institute’s “urine samples for micro-targeted multivitamins.”
  • 12) Trump’s hiring of hundreds of undocumented Polish workers in the 1980s, who were paid virtually nothing for illegal work.
  • 13) All of Trump’s connections to New York’s construction mafia, specifically Felix Sater whom he is still regularly in contact with.
  • 14) In the 1980s, Trump was compelled to testify under oath before New York officials after he directed tens of thousands of dollars to the president of the NYC Council through a myriad of subsidiary companies to evade contribution limits.
  • 15) In the 1990s, the FEC fined Trump for exceeding the annual limit on campaign contributions by $47050, the largest violation in a single year.
  • 16) Trump failed to disclose to New York officials that he spent $150k to finance ads opposing a proposed casino in the Catskills, which he saw as a threat to his Atlantic City property. Roger Stone created the ads and appeared under the name of a front group.
  • 17) Violated the IRS rule on “self-dealing,” multiple times. Using his Foundation to pay his legal fees will constitute self-dealing, if not serve as an entirely separate crime.
  • 18) Committed perjury in his court testimony re: trying to get casinos in Florida.
  • 19) Committed perjury by lying under oath to deny his association with organized crime figures.
  • 20) Violated the U.S. embargo of Cuba by secretly funding a business foray in Cuba. Trump’s casino company funneled $68,000 in 1998 to a consulting firm that traveled to Cuba and disguised the payment to make it appear as if the firm’s Cuba trip was linked to a Catholic charity.
  • 21) Federal election law prohibits the conversion of campaign funds to personal use (payments to Keith Schiller for security).
  • 22) Violated federal law by using Trump Organization speechwriter to plagiarize Michelle Obama’s speech. (He may have rectified this retroactively).


They are both crooked as fuck.

The fact that either of them will get a single vote is a joke
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Oct 10 2016 05:47pm
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They are both crooked as fuck.

The fact that either of them will get a single vote is a joke


They're not even on the same level. Clinton is a slimy politician, but Trump is a legitimate piece of shit from top to bottom.
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#24
Oct 10 2016 06:03pm
Quote (bitg_pj @ Oct 10 2016 04:47pm)
They are both crooked as fuck.

The fact that either of them will get a single vote is a joke


But they're not. They're really, really not.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 10 2016 04:47pm)
They're not even on the same level. Clinton is a slimy politician, but Trump is a legitimate piece of shit from top to bottom.


This is what sort of bothers me though: I'm not so sure that Clinton really is a "slimy politician." When it comes to your base disposition, "too calculating with your words, controlled to the point of unnatural, reserved, and distrusting of the press" is really on the entire opposite end of the spectrum from "liar who's loose with your words and commitments." You can't be both of those things. That's what's so laughable when people try to attack her on both of those grounds (especially at the same time) because those are two diametrically-opposed qualities.

I've always found that the former is a perfectly acceptable framing of Clinton, and people can debate on the cause of that and the pros and cons of it and whatnot. The "Clinton as a liar" or "Clinton as a crook" frame just does not work with the facts we have. It just doesn't.
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#25
Oct 10 2016 06:06pm
Trump University is light years worse than anything Clinton has done. Of course the right-wingers froth over what would otherwise have been obscure issues like Benghazi and the private email server.
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#26
Oct 10 2016 06:13pm
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They're not even on the same level. Clinton is a slimy politician, but Trump is a legitimate piece of shit from top to bottom.



Implying Clinton isnt a legitimate piece of shit from top to bottom.


We dont disagree on trump.

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Oct 10 2016 06:15pm
Quote (Pollster @ Oct 10 2016 08:03pm)
But they're not. They're really, really not.



This is what sort of bothers me though: I'm not so sure that Clinton really is a "slimy politician." When it comes to your base disposition, "too calculating with your words, controlled to the point of unnatural, reserved, and distrusting of the press" is really on the entire opposite end of the spectrum from "liar who's loose with your words and commitments." You can't be both of those things. That's what's so laughable when people try to attack her on both of those grounds (especially at the same time) because those are two diametrically-opposed qualities.

I've always found that the former is a perfectly acceptable framing of Clinton, and people can debate on the cause of that and the pros and cons of it and whatnot. The "Clinton as a liar" or "Clinton as a crook" frame just does not work with the facts we have. It just doesn't.


Shes a slimy politican that will lie, be two faced , smile while doing it and then turn about face on her word... anything to get votes and support.

A fucking weasel


Obviously Trump is a disgusting vile human being .... but if you put any competant human being against Clinton she would get obliterated
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#28
Oct 10 2016 06:21pm
Quote (bitg_pj @ Oct 10 2016 05:15pm)
Shes a slimy politican that will lie, be two faced , smile while doing it and then turn about face on her word... anything to get votes and support.

A fucking weasel


Obviously Trump is a disgusting vile human being .... but if you put any competant human being against Clinton she would get obliterated


Sanders and omalley would disagree

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#29
Oct 10 2016 06:27pm
False. Both of these candidates have broken various laws over their lifetimes, but our corrupt judiciary and preferential treatment of the wealthy and elite ruling classes means that neither of them will have to face the same consequences that normal people would face for committing similar acts.
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#30
Oct 10 2016 06:30pm
Government is quite possibly the biggest criminal organization of them all. Especially in the U.S.
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