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Aug 21 2016 06:39pm
Quote (Skinned @ Aug 20 2016 05:07pm)
Because the only argument that a fetus's rights supersede an actual persons is if you believe that folding cell mass was imbued with a soul unrelated to the mind and body. There is nothing else there to consider.

We are talking about a gross violation of Rights in one person for a nonperson. A fetus isn't a person. Texas is free to legislate all they want on abortions after the first trimester. Before the first trimester they need to mind their own business over a private healthcare matter.

Planned Parenthood is the major provider of these services and their services are legal. Defunding them for religious reasons and killing actual children in the process is disgusting. They are savages who are now killing children.



Your morality is probably centered on whether or not something feels icky. Killing children and using the state to make women carry fetuses to full term should make you feel more icky.

Icky isn't good to legislate on. Logic and research is better.

If you have a real argument for why a fetal nonperson should have rights that remove the right to self determination from an actual human being I am all ears but it won't hold up to scrutiny.


There is an implication here that the pro-life movement does not agree with.
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Would it not be better to err on the side of caution here?

You can't really provide proof of anyone's/anything's sentience. Seeing that your claim of their lack of sentience is based on an assumption as well I'm willing to assume otherwise. Regardless, a temporary lack of sentience should in no way deprive anyone of their rights.
I do not see what the ability to feel pain has to do with one's right to live.



There isn't an anyone to deprive a right of(f?).

I postulate that you need to have a functioning brain to be able to be sentient. By which I don't mean that actual human beings with braindamage and/or -deficiencies are not sentient or do not have rights.
I mean that if your brain is the size of a peanut and incapable of sending information through the organism (= an embryo's or early fetus' breain) it is not sentient.


Unwilling mothers should be able to abort their non-sentient embryo, just as I think that next of kin/life-partners should be able to pull the plug in case of their loved one being irrevocably braindead.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding



So this is what cutting Planned Parenthood and closing down abortion clinics gives you.

Pro-life my ass. Pro-money more like.


Texas abortions:

2010 - 77,592
2011 - 72,470
2012 - 68,298
2013 - 63,849

Seems like it worked.
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Aug 22 2016 10:51am
hi im from texas thank you
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Aug 22 2016 11:03am
Quote (Santara @ Aug 22 2016 10:49am)
Texas abortions:

2010 - 77,592
2011 - 72,470
2012 - 68,298
2013 - 63,849

Seems like it worked.


Pro-life.... until it's born. Then it's just a black, so it really doesn't matter.
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Pro-life.... until it's born. Then it's just a black, so it really doesn't matter.


Wait, I'm suddenly responsible for other people's poor lifestyle choices?
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Aug 22 2016 01:22pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 22 2016 11:14am)
Wait, I'm suddenly responsible for other people's poor lifestyle choices?


Child didn't make any lifestyle choices.
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Child didn't make any lifestyle choices.


Parents, yo.
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Aug 22 2016 05:10pm
Quote (Santara @ 23 Aug 2016 00:52)
Parents, yo.


Sins of the father...
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Quote (HEAVENSHAKINGSWORD @ Aug 22 2016 11:51am)
hi im from texas thank you


A lot of people don't like kids all that much.

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Aug 22 2016 06:10pm)
Sins of the father...


They're all about corruption of blood. They would bring back debtors prisons if they could. They would call them freedom cages.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 22 2016 06:41pm
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