I've listened to the arguments. I've thought long and hard about the issue of abortion. It's a complicated topic, and I've accepted that I might be on the wrong side of moral history.

But I don't think abortion restrictions have a Constitutional basis. In the context of abortions bans, they often place an undue burnden on women. In the context of personhood, a fetus isn't a natural-born citizen.

There's no such thing as being on the "wrong" side of history so it's not something you should concern yourself with. I was pointing out that you seemed to lack the understanding of the other side based on how you characterized them.

You're right that abortion bans prior to the 2nd trimester lack a constitutional basis. There's no getting around it.

Sure there is a thing as being on the wrong side. Those who opposed the civil rights movement are viewed as knuckle daggers. Does it effect them in their grave, no. But they are forever going to be viewed as morons.

Every single person that has ever lived will eventually be viewed as "morons" in one way or another. It's called the zeitgeist.

Some more so than others. I don't think Pythagoras will ever be viewed as a moron. He was a genius for his time.

He was still a primitive person and I'm sure the social justice warriors will want to change the name of his theorem because he supported slavery. Regardless, I just don't think it matters since so few people have legacies worth remembering.

Checking in as a pro-life atheist

Because the only argument that a fetus's rights supersede an actual persons is if you believe that folding cell mass was imbued with a soul unrelated to the mind and body. There is nothing else there to consider.

We are talking about a gross violation of Rights in one person for a nonperson. A fetus isn't a person. Texas is free to legislate all they want on abortions after the first trimester. Before the first trimester they need to mind their own business over a private healthcare matter.

Planned Parenthood is the major provider of these services and their services are legal. Defunding them for religious reasons and killing actual children in the process is disgusting. They are savages who are now killing children.



Your morality is probably centered on whether or not something feels icky. Killing children and using the state to make women carry fetuses to full term should make you feel more icky.

Icky isn't good to legislate on. Logic and research is better.

If you have a real argument for why a fetal nonperson should have rights that remove the right to self determination from an actual human being I am all ears but it won't hold up to scrutiny.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 20 2016 04:13pm

Still less babies killed than by muslims

i wont scatter your fetus to the heartless sea