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remco6

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#11

Jul 26 2016 10:23am

Quote (dro94 @ Jul 26 2016 10:15am)

you are unnaturally hostile to the idea of common ownership over the means of production

When you say common ownership of the means of production can you come up with a realistic implementation that would not lead to a small group of corupt elite still controlling everything?

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Jul 26 2016 10:25am

Quote (remco6 @ Jul 26 2016 11:23am)

When you say common ownership of the means of production can you come up with a realistic implementation that would not lead to a small group of corupt elite still controlling everything?

That's the hard part :lol:

We will have to see how capitalism finishes playing out before the next system can start to be described.

The means of production are still developing. Right now we are almost to a point where all scarcity is artificial and recessions are happening due to too much instead of too little being produced in certain areas.

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Jul 26 2016 10:25am

Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 26 2016 04:42pm)

Yelled "Daesh", yep, it's IS.

Seems odd that they would shout what is generally seen by the IS as a pejorative name for their organisation if they were a supporter or member. ISIS have threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who refer to them as 'Daesh'.

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Jul 26 2016 10:26am

Quote (dro94 @ Jul 26 2016 12:15pm)

you are unnaturally hostile to the idea of common ownership over the means of production

Are you going to give me a medal?

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That's the hard part :lol:

We will have to see how capitalism finishes playing out before the next system can start to be described.

The means of production are still developing.

Wait till they're done.

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Jul 26 2016 10:27am

Quote (KublaiKhan @ Jul 26 2016 11:25am)

Seems odd that they would shout what is generally seen by IS as a pejorative name for their organisation if they were a supporter or member. ISIS have threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who refer to them as 'Daesh'.

Maybe he is trying to one-up ISIS on behalf of Al-Qaeda? Those dudes hate each other and ISIS is hogging all the spotlight.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 26 2016 11:26am)

Wait till they're done.

I'm trying to save money/raise a family/pursue a career. Nobody got time for all that class war.

#petitebourgeoisie

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Jul 26 2016 10:32am

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 26 2016 11:25am)

That's the hard part :lol:

We will have to see how capitalism finishes playing out before the next system can start to be described.

The means of production are still developing. Right now we are almost to a point where all scarcity is artificial and recessions are happening due to too much instead of too little being produced in certain areas.

Marxists 2,000 years from now:

Well, we're still waiting to see how capitalism fails, but it's coming soon.

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Jul 26 2016 10:33am

Quote (remco6 @ Jul 26 2016 05:23pm)

When you say common ownership of the means of production can you come up with a realistic implementation that would not lead to a small group of corupt elite still controlling everything?

Some would say that's the definition of a state...

So what do you do?

Remove the state

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Jul 26 2016 10:38am

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 26 2016 11:32am)

Marxists 2,000 years from now:

Well, we're still waiting to see how capitalism fails, but it's coming soon.

Either things will be Marxist and we will be living in a classless and post-scarcity economy like Star Trek, or it will be post-nuclear Mad Max if the human race even survives that long :lol:

You realize that Marxism is pretty young as an ideology. Much younger than Christianity and you fuckers are still waiting for the second coming of Jesus, so don't talk

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#19

Jul 26 2016 10:39am

Quote (dro94 @ 26 Jul 2016 17:33)

Some would say that's the definition of a state...
So what do you do?
Remove the state

yep remove the state so others countries will simply annexing you, the no-sense it perfect.

private justice lol.

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Jul 26 2016 10:41am

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 26 2016 05:38pm)

Either things will be Marxist and we will be living in a classless and post-scarcity economy like Star Trek, or it will be post-nuclear Mad Max if the human race even survives that long :lol:

You realize that Marxism is pretty young as an ideology. Much younger than Christianity and you fuckers are still waiting for the second coming of Jesus, so don't talk ;)

The danger of marxism is the tendency to go towards a degenerated workers state. You can't change a system overnight, and instating a governing force to oversee the transition is quite likely to result in bureaucracy

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