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Jul 23 2016 12:53am
Quote (dro94 @ 23 Jul 2016 06:34)
...we get pissed on in negotiations. Can't wait!


not going to happen, those countries in the eu which have the biggest clout are not going to 'piss on' britain
but some of the brits might feel that way because they don't get what they want
freedom of trade will greatly depend on freedom of movement - not much wiggle room there

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not going to happen, those countries in the eu which have the biggest cloud are not going to 'piss on' britain
but some of the brits might feel that way because they don't get what they want
freedom of trade will greatly depend on freedom of movement - not much wiggle room there


this is exactly my point, people that voted leave wont accept no border control, and us remainers wont accept no access to the single market.
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this is exactly my point, people that voted leave wont accept no border control, and us remainers wont accept no access to the single market.


actually britain has strong border control within the eu not being part of the schengen zone
so yes, the leave campaign's presentation of refugees flooding the uk was pure bullshit
but many of the 'leave' voters don't want eu citizens either

if britain stays together the damage will not be that bad, just the economy sliding down a further notch or two
the real problems are
1. will the current disaffection by scotland and northern ireland result in a split
2. big government will make a strong come back in britain
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actually britain has strong border control within the eu not being part of the schengen zone
so yes, the leave campaign's presentation of refugees flooding the uk was pure bullshit
but many of the 'leave' voters don't want eu citizens either

if britain stays together the damage will not be that bad, just the economy sliding down a further notch or two
the real problems are
1. will the current disaffection by scotland and northern ireland result in a split
2. big government will make a strong come back in britain


Just because we aren't in schengen doesn't mean we have strong borders. We still have to accept EU nationals unconditionally, the only difference is they need to show a passport.

1. Northern Ireland won't leave us, but Scotland might. If I were Scottish, I'd want to leave too. The problem is that we've already screwed Scotland over. The EU won't accept them if they are part of the UK, the only way they could join the EU is by leaving the UK AND joining the euro. Not to mention the long application process to rejoin the EU...

2. We'll have a bigger government but not necessarily a big government. One of brexit's positive consequences might be in ending austerity and actually forcing the government to invest in order to avoid recession.

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Just because we aren't in schengen doesn't mean we have strong borders. We still have to accept EU nationals unconditionally, the only difference is they need to show a passport.
the only weak border is the land border in ireland, everywhere else britain can block out recent migrants/refugees
1. Northern Ireland won't leave us, but Scotland might. If I were Scottish, I'd want to leave too. The problem is that we've already screwed Scotland over. The EU won't accept them if they are part of the UK, the only way they could join the EU is by leaving the UK AND joining the euro. Not to mention the long application process to rejoin the EU...
2. We'll have a bigger government but not necessarily a big government. One of brexit's positive consequences might be in ending austerity and actually forcing the government to invest in order to avoid recession.


as per big government, britain needs to re-establish departments for quite some functions brussels is currently performing
another issue is the funding of 'poorer' areas (especially in wales and northern ireland) - will all that funding be abandoned or will it continue (at least in part) controlled by a british infrastructure
as per investment by the government, there is a limit what the british government can do in view of the already high debt ratio

imo if scotland leaves, northern ireland will as well - but either will take some time
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as per big government, britain needs to re-establish departments for quite some functions brussels is currently performing
another issue is the funding of 'poorer' areas (especially in wales and northern ireland) - will all that funding be abandoned or will it continue (at least in part) controlled by a british infrastructure
as per investment by the government, there is a limit what the british government can do in view of the already high debt ratio

imo if scotland leaves, northern ireland will as well - but either will take some time


Our London-centric government will devote significantly less resources to poor areas in Wales and Northern England than the EU did. Devolution and earmarked funds are desperately needed.

The debt ratio we have is fine, in the era of ultra low interest rates we should be taking advantage of funding infrastructure projects.
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