Quote (WNxIrvine @ 30 Jun 2016 14:34)
You keep saying that. And it's almost as if you repeat it enough times then it will become truth. It won't.
(1)
While boris & Co may indeed not have any idea what to do moving forward, the people voting out do. We can't keep on with an extra 300k(see 7) (see people a year, we can't keep having all of the countries money focused around London because it is the "European hub" (2) and we certainly can't stay in Europe just because some iron fisted dongle in Brussels says it's too scary to leave.
EU reform needs to happen and it obviously won't when they think every country is too scared to do anything about it.(3) The question needs to be asked WHY there has to be free movement of people to be in the market.(4) We're not asking to "shut all the boarders!!" we're asking for some CONTROL (5) so the country can catch up with housing, schools, services.(6)Yes, the government might be to blame, but at the minute all we're doing is picking the best of a bad bunch who continue to go back on promises, so we make the one call that says enough of the bullshit, fix it.
House prices going up 5% every year and wages driven down by immigrants is ridiculous. (7) £7/hr in Poland makes you a king, £7 in the UK will be lucky to get you a shit 1 bed flat in a bad part of town.
How can you blame people for finding hope in change, any change, when money is so tight at the bottom of the ladder?(8)
It might not be the right call, we might get fucked by the iron fist in Brussels who refuse to reform. Or, it might lead to them finally realising that the free movement is harming people and they give SOME control over it.(9)
(1) it is quite clear that the 'leave' camp has no clue what to do else there would now be a plan how to go forward, any observer sees that the campaign ran on "let's get the vote to leave and then we will think what to do" - that's not how you achieve anything
(2) this provides a substantial benefit to the british economy, there are quite a few cities which look forward of getting some part of that pie now and especially once the brexit is complete - there was an interesting article in the nrz where the 'major' of zurich calls for the swiss banking institution to use the opportunity
(3) everyone agrees that the eu needs to evolve and many are working towards reform, it is a slow process and britain had a lot to do with slowing down that process - so in some regard brexit will be positive for the eu in the mid/long term
(4) that is a 2-way street, if you want full access than you have to provide that as well
(5) not being in the schengen zone gives britain more control than most other eu countries have
(6) you are perfectly right to blame the british government for that, so that should not be a reason to 'leave'
(7) many (probably most) of the bottom rung jobs being performed by legal migrant from eu countries are not wanted by british people and if the legal migrants are pushed out, businesses will close or find ways to get illegal migrants
(8) i don't blame people to vote for hope etc, unfortunately they have been given a lot of lies in that package they see hope in
(9) the other eu countries do not see the problem as much with the free movement of eu citizens between countries but rather with the huge refugee inflow which is due to the destabilisation in many parts of the world - in which the british government had a leading role
This post was edited by brmv on Jun 30 2016 10:38am