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sp_patl
#11 Jun 23 2016 12:05am
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Quote (richboy1991 @ 23 Jun 2016 01:45)

Only reason i got past rank 6 is because i bought over 2,000 tier 1-2 essences...


that was your mistake. its like tier I and II items dont drop in this game ?

other than that you started something without informing. now all you do is complaining after a week




richboy1991
#12 Jun 23 2016 12:36am
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Quote (Lost_son @ Jun 22 2016 10:03pm)
if skilling in this game was easy, every1 would do it.
the way it is, only a few work tog et to high ranks and everything they get out is well deserved.
lower ranks are fast gained, you are right. it is made to give an impression how long it will take to improve to higher ranks. many start skilling, most of them quit ~ rank 5-15.
at least the starter maybe invest in unused materials like essences or fish the higher guys have left over, to refund them a bit fg.


a good response..but i disagree with well deserved it would be easier to rank it if it took as long as transmute but ur still looking at thousands of suffed items

They were bought out


i just transmuted / rerolled 82 tier 4 mythicals heres the results


1 roll

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +146 Max Life, +1 Mana Regen, +1% Magical Damage Reduction, +5% Quick Draw, +2% Lightning Mastery..not overspawn its 1.5 QD per tier.

rolled a 39 ee in like 5 rolls but didnt copy/paste

in 6 rolls i got a angelic item..it took 2 rerolls to get it back to mythical

10 roll

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +18 Vitality, +2 Magic Luck, +1 to 2 Life per Attack, +1% Lightning Mastery, +2% Wind Mastery

17 roll

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +325 Max Mana, +1 to 2 Life per Attack, +1% Damage Return, +1% Mind Numb, +2% Wind Mastery

28 roll

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +366 Max Mana, +3 Mana Regen, +2 Critical Strike, +1% Damage Return, +1% Glancing Blow..if only 6+% exp or 10+ intel :(


30 roll

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +17 Vitality, +79 Max Life, +1 Mana Regen, +1% Physical Damage Reduction, +2% Mana Syphon


roll 31

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 5 to 57, +16% Enhanced Effect, +1 to 1 Life per Attack, +2% Mana Syphon, +1% Glancing Blow, +3 Jubilance


roll 34

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 6 to 63, +28% Enhanced Effect, +1 Mana Regen, +1 to 1 Mana per Attack, +2% Parry, +2 Jubilance


roll 39

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +6 Strength, +2% Experience Gained, +1 Life Regen, +1% Armor Pierce, +1% Critical Flux


roll 45

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +5 Strength, +1 Dexterity, +1 to 4 Mana per Kill, +1% Armor Pierce, +1% Physical Damage Reduction...first dual stat


roll 50

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 5 to 53, +7% Enhanced Effect, +80 Max Life, +3% Life Steal, +1% Parry, +1 Jubilance


roll 52

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +7 Strength, +11 Vitality, +1 to 7 Life per Attack, +1 to 23 Life per Kill, +3% Heal Mastery...2 tier 3 mods, 1 tier 4


roll 54

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +1 Extra Equipment Slots, +1 Critical Strike, +2% Life Steal, +2% Mind Numb, +1% Glancing Blow


roll 55

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +8% Experience Gained, +2 Critical Strike, +1% Parry, +5% Mana Syphon, +1% Lightning Mastery


roll 56

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 5 to 56, +14% Enhanced Effect, +1 Life Regen, +2 Extra Equipment Slots, +1 to 1 Life per Attack, +1% Glancing Blow


roll 57

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 5 to 54, +10% Enhanced Effect, +10 Strength, +3% Experience Gained, -4% Mana Consumption, +1 Jubilance...1 tier 3 mod, 1 tier 4


roll 63

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +1 Extra Equipment Slots, +3% Mind Numb, +3% Parry, +1% Physical Damage Reduction, +1% Power Shot


roll 69 turned into angelic again.


roll 70

Angelic lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +11 Dexterity, +1 Life Regen, +3 Mana Regen, +2% Parry


roll 71 turned into mythical again


roll 73

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 7 to 76, +55% Enhanced Effect, +1 Critical Strike, +2% Parry, +2% Ice Mastery, +2% Wind Mastery


roll 74 some coincidence

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 7 to 76, +54% Enhanced Effect, +1 to 2 Mana per Attack, +1% Heal Mastery, +1% Ice Mastery, +4% Lightning Mastery


last roll 82

Mythical lightning IV, Spell Damage: 4 to 49, +3 Strength, +1 Critical Strike, +1 Jubilance, +2% Ice Mastery, +1% Lightning Mastery


Heres the time length in the first 20 rerolls...i written down 76 times

52
48
45
43
52
38
53
48
51
48
51
48
47
50
40
51
49
46
46
50
45
47...= average 47.45 seconds

lowest 38 highest was 65 seconds due to bar jumping back and the bar not moving and damn top bar wouldnt go down.

Most common 3 numbers...8, 48's...10, 45's...8, 50's

I will be rerolling 38 arcane tier 4's...i think they will be a little faster than mythicals, well see

Will also be rerolling my tier 5 angelic+


/edit to sp_patl...man i can do w/e the hell i want, was it a mistake? yes and il stop and hope it gets tweaked..
you act like even rank 25 can mute thousands of tier 1 in 2 in months time? lol theres better things to do...

/EDIT EDIT...also you complain about me complaining..how about you worry about urself..u gave helpful info but ended it with non needed remarks.

This post was edited by richboy1991 on Jun 23 2016 12:44am
zALC
#13 Jun 23 2016 02:06am
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richboy1991
#14 Jun 23 2016 02:07am
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correction i had 36 total...none of them downgraded


arcane tier 4 36 essences...i coppied all the ee rolls

1 roll

Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 6 to 61
Mana Cost: 29

+24% Enhanced Effect
+60 Max Mana
+1 Mana Regen
+1% Power Shot
+1% Glancing Blow
+2% Lightning Mastery


2 roll

Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 4 to 49
Mana Cost: 29

+1 to 8 Life per Attack
+1% Mind Numb
+1% Mana Syphon
+1 Jubilance
+2% Fire Mastery
+2% Wind Mastery


10 roll

Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 5 to 50....zzz fail idk stats im guessing ee tho i muted a few
Mana Cost: 29


22 roll

Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 6 to 63
Mana Cost: 29

+29% Enhanced Effect
+8 Strength
+1 Life Regen

25 roll first ees


Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 4 to 49....first ees
Mana Cost: 29

+5 Vitality
+1 Mana Regen
+1 Extra Equipment Slots
+1% Mind Numb
+1% Armor Pierce
+4% Fire Mastery


30 roll

Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 6 to 64
Mana Cost: 29

+30% Enhanced Effect
+5 Intelligence
+87 Max Life
+1% Experience Gained
+1% Glancing Blow
+2% Wind Mastery


last roll 36...eh looks noob


Arcane lightning IV
Level Req: 5
Spell Damage: 8 to 86
Mana Cost: 29

+74% Enhanced Effect
+233 Max Mana
+1% Experience Gained
+1 Critical Strike
+1% Damage Return
+1% Mind Numb


time duration with all 36 results..heres 20 average

46
52
40
47
50
41
48
45
35
55
43
44
55
38
40
53
46
45
39
52....average = 45.7 seconds...arcane is better in handling them when the bar is high and less bar jumps / back ups

common 3 numbers 5, 40's...4, 50's...3, 38's.....lowest was 35 highest was 55


/edit doing 26 tier 5 arcanes now...and after that tier 5 14 mythicals

This post was edited by richboy1991 on Jun 23 2016 02:16am
sp_patl
#15 Jun 23 2016 10:27am
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two weeks ago a different sound

Quote (richboy1991 @ 8 Jun 2016 08:44)
Easy goals i WILL achieve.
rank 30+ fishing 25+ cooking 40+ mute 30+ suff NO GLYPHING.


Note : EASY <- you obviously didnt know what to expect, and still clueless.


Quote (richboy1991 @ 23 Jun 2016 07:36)
/edit to sp_patl...man i can do w/e the hell i want, was it a mistake? yes and il stop and hope it gets tweaked..
you act like even rank 25 can mute thousands of tier 1 in 2 in months time? lol theres better things to do...

/EDIT EDIT...also you complain about me complaining..how about you worry about urself..u gave helpful info but ended it with non needed remarks.


Okay so here some good info: the higher rank you get the faster the mutes on lower tiers will be. For me with transmuting rank 57 (maximum mystical xiv) a tier I mute needs two clicks, (1 second since first click is done automatically) , i can even mute tier iv WITHOUT using stabilize (around15sec)

spam less on forum, you are just stealing our and your own time. You will be better off investing that time into skilling. It takes long enough as you noticed, and like other people sayd, it is good that way.
If any changes at all then not time based changes. The essences could have better quality i agree there, but the ranking/experience system in place is pretty good.

your aim is to find as much items yourself as possible . only use the market for high quality(arcane+) or high tiers (X+) . I think this is good advice now

This post was edited by sp_patl on Jun 23 2016 10:52am
richboy1991
#16 Jun 25 2016 05:57am
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Quote (sp_patl @ Jun 23 2016 10:27am)
two weeks ago a different sound



Note : EASY <- ((( >>you obviously didnt know what to expect, and still clueless.<< )))




Okay so here some good info: the higher rank you get the faster the mutes on lower tiers will be. For me with transmuting rank 57 (maximum mystical xiv) a tier I mute needs two clicks, (1 second since first click is done automatically) , i can even mute tier iv WITHOUT using stabilize (around15sec)

spam less on forum, you are just stealing our and your own time. You will be better off investing that time into skilling. It takes long enough as you noticed, and like other people sayd, it is good that way.
If any changes at all then not time based changes. The essences could have better quality i agree there, but the ranking/experience system in place is pretty good.

your aim is to find as much items yourself as possible . only use the market for high quality(arcane+) or high tiers (X+) . I think this is good advice now




I do plan on getting my skills a high rank....oh w8 you thought i was guna rank 75 times in a year? man come the hell on...LOL how about you think things out..that was an idea

You and alot of people are dumbasses, only a suffer that supports himself would know...i guess i gota get more technical

Also only buy high tiers? tier 5 is high? yea... pay 1-2fg per magic - angelic+ and spend 30k fg...30k can rank transmute past 50...


Your rank 57, (which is stupid because it doesnt scratch suffing)..u said you mute tier 4 in about 15 seconds, times that by 3,500 self found tier 4 items..OR even items given to you

for only ranks 12 - 16
.. = 52,500 seconds, 14.6 hours. On tier 4 bro...a level 5 item


OR even worse, ranks 7 to 16 Using the essences i list only...this is a better idea on T4....heres doodled numbers and not a lowely 3.5k


7, 530... T3 magic
8, 610...T3 magic
9, 685...T3 magic
10, 750...T3 magic
11, 1,000...T3 rare or mystical
12, 1,150...T3 angelic+ ... = 4,725 essences

13, 890...T4 magic
14, 975...T4 magic
15, 1,060....T4 magic
16, 1,350.. T4 rare - mystical..= 4,275.

At ur rank it will take you about 7 secs to do T 3's from rank 7 - 12 = 33,075 secs or 9.19 hours.
And tier 4 ranks 13-16 in 15 secs, = 64,125 or 17.81 hours, total for ranks 7-16 = 27 hours.


At my rank, would take me 15 secs... to do T3 .. = 70,875 seconds or 19.69 hours...and tier 4, 40 secs 171,000 seconds or 47.5 hours total = 67.19 hours.

So a muter at rank 15 would take 1 minute and 25 secs PER tier 4 magic = 85 seconds = 363,375 seconds, 101 hours OR 4.2 straight days.. just for ranks 13-16

Even longer when ur handling over 1,000 more essences using for the appropriate rank.



Still dont understand? well lets do tier 5's to get a dumb look at urself and maybe apologize for jumping the gun


This is ranks 15-21 using only tier 5... ( so imagine the essences for the appropriate rank )

15, 675
16, 760
17, 870
18, 1,025
19, 1,175
20, 1,275
21, 1,490 rare - mystical...= 7,270 essences...ur rank 57, it would take you around 35 secs to mute 1 tier 5... = 254,450 seconds or 70.68 hours.

At my rank it would take me 50 seconds per... = 363,500 seconds, 101 hours..or 4.2 straight days.

A person with rank 15 transmute would take more than 2 minutes and 30 seconds per tier 5 = 150 seconds = 1,090,500, 303 hours OR 12.62 straight days.

A person rank 11 transmute would take 3 minutes 20 seconds per tier 5 = 200 seconds = 1,454,000, 404 hours OR 16.8 days.



Now lets get to the real numbers...people like me dream to get to if i could on my own.


ranks 25-31 we will use tier 7 magical only.

25, 990
26, 1,100
27, 1,240
28, 1,360
29, 1,560
30, 1,770
31, 2,000... rare - mystical = 10,020 essences...at your rank 57 it will take you about 65 seconds per..= 651,300 seconds, 181 hours...OR 7.5 straight days.
Now tell me how many hours a day you can put in without breaking a sweat. If you put 2 hours a day in, it would take you 91+ days. with NO exp gained. Get real, u wont be doing that

At rank 25 ( i do godly level 20 max) it takes me 3 minutes and 20 seconds to do 1 level 20 magic... = 200 seconds... = 2,004,000 seconds, 557 hours OR 23 days..

If i put 2 hours a day in it would be 279 days . 14 hours a damn week.


OK now lets do a person with rank 22 (level 20 rare max) it will take him 3 minutes and 45 seconds per = 225 second = 2,254,500 secs, 626 hours OR 26 days.


.sorry if you see this ( sp_patl )...but u put ur own foot in ur mouth along with harmacintyre.

Cant believe yall didnt even look at what you read and figure it out in 5 seconds...after u blow all ur essences you use early the first couple ranks...RESUPPLY its easy..

Try suffing 200 times a day versus 20 mutes...shit gets boring fast, yo ass can only do so many


Like i said it would take years doing this shit by urself, even with a rank 50+ transmute...once you start doing v's then thats where it dramatically takes time.

Even if you make it to rank 65 transmute with all the materials you need for exp, it wont cover not 1 rank in suff.
And u still average 400-550 items per high rank, divide that by 3 and look at ur stacks. ...magics, rares and next tier.

100's of hours used to do alot of climbs...hundreds of hours AFK...hundreds of hours supplying urself or buying off mp...

.im even # 27 transmute on the leaderboards i think i have some experience.


How to fix this? make it last as long as transmute and still have to invest for thousands of items...this is the only skill that has to use 2 other skills that dont get exp helping suff...

Yall dont have a say so. exp per sec is still the same.

..( " your aim is to find as much items yourself as possible " ) quote sp_patl...well i can tell you 1 thing i bet you havnt muted 40,000 items or even 30,000...do the math il w8

100% of all the suffers bought essences, how many times i gota say this? if ur not going past rank 10 suff ur wasting ur time.
3 years ago i honestly thought i had enough essences to make it to rank 23...laugh, going from 750 to rank, to 1k blew my mind.


If you add up all the items you transmuted and used all available essences from rank 0 to 31 your looking at over 31,000 essences...and thousands you cant even use

good luck spending over 50,000 fg...ive invested about 5,000+ and cant make it past rank 15

You will constantly run out of supplies and its impossible doing it with low rank transmute...even rank 40 is not enough....it would take you years


And if you think this aint much time you are a stupid idiot...muting 500 items per day everyday, and pick out a few that you can actualy use...with no exp gained
And thousands of other supplies to actuly suff..even muting 1,000 tier 1 items in a week is enough to drive someone crazy

btw thanks for first good comment on my mute, people like that, it takes people further.



sp_patl
#17 Jun 25 2016 06:34am
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i know we are all stupid . I agree with everything you say because im a dumdass. 99% of your speculations about me/my skiling/ / my supplies / skilling in general are simply wrong .

but if you say so... you must be right ;)

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SunnyInPhiladelphia
#18 Jun 25 2016 07:02am
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Quote (sp_patl @ Jun 25 2016 07:34am)
i know we are all stupid . I agree with everything you say because im a dumdass. 99% of your speculations about me/my skiling/ / my supplies / skilling in general are simply wrong .

but if you say so... you must be right ;)


Hey man, just ignore him, that is what I do since a bit ago and I feel much better already... I have earned 30 transmuting levels and ~140 prof this season.... everything is hard earned and I didn't earn it by complaining and whining the whole time. Just have to keep working at it and move on

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richboy1991
#19 Jun 25 2016 07:51am
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Quote (harmacintyre @ Jun 25 2016 07:02am)
Hey man, just ignore him, that is what I do since a bit ago and I feel much better already... I have earned 30 transmuting levels and ~140 prof this season.... everything is hard earned and I didn't earn it by complaining and whining the whole time. Just have to keep working at it and move on


stop spamming, u obv seen it, and ignored the conditions, u over here bragin when i could be doin the same thing.


and to pat, who said u was wrong? i dont care what yall do, im just tryin to prove a point...and yall post in this thread without anything to say after it.

atleast tell me wtf..the skill obv needs tweakin but yall dont give a damn, neither does 95% of every1, when this skill is usefull...but at heavens door
ahs_darkhunter
#20 Jun 25 2016 12:10pm
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well if you look at the numbers for the time that is needed to lvl up the skills.. it is really insane ^^ but you quickly figure that out if you spend some time with skilling. my motivation stopped when i was lvl 6 muting ^^
i rather invest time to increase my weapon/charm profs (i got lvl 31ice and 28dagger for example)
all these profs need a lot of time investing.. it doesnt take weeks or months but years to get on the top of the most prof ladders.
i think it is very important to be a member of a very active slashing guild.. so you can get help from your guildies to find enough skillables. (skillables that fit your needs)
other than that you have to invest quite some fg to be able to finish harder lvls (i didnt mute too much.. but i saw the lvl when you need arcane+ items is pretty hard to do)... i guess it is pretty similar for glyphing or suffing.

you kinda have to enjoy the skilling to be able to get on top.. people have proven that it is possible.. but not for everyone.. just for the guys with the most patience. the highest muter have muted a lot of insane items.. so with the right investment there can be found something in return.
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