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Jun 15 2016 08:25pm
I think that you are onto something here. We have to be careful not to assume there is causality just because it appears to exist, but it seems as though there have been enough good studies and research to suggest there is a statistically significant relationship between mass shootings and increased media coverage that tends to "glorify" shooters and show their face and name everywhere. On the surface, the idea certainly seems plausible.

There are probably many factors that can increase the chance of a mass shooting occuring. These factors include mental illness, poverty, radicalization (religous and political), availabilty and ease of purchasing of firearms, among others. I'm comfortable adding what you desribed in the OP to that list. I think it can influence someone to commit a mass shooting.

Addressing this problem will be very difficult. I am generally not okay with requiring the media to do anything or cover things in a certain way as I think that can lead into a dangerous relationship between the state and the freedom of press.

That said, I have witnessed a growing movement among people in the US to not acknowledge the shooter's name or photo, and I hope this movement grows. With each mass shooting, I see this idea brought up more and more. I'm not sure if we can ever fully solve this problem, but we should at least make efforts to criticize media outlets that parade around a shooter's name and photo 24/7 after an incident. We must hold our media up to higher journalistic standards of integrity, and not just on this issue.

On a personal level, I shall try and discuss this topic with others around me and encourage them to not share a shooter's name and photo after a mass shooting. I know it probably feels underwhelming that these might be the only sorts of small things that we can do, but perhaps it is a start. Thanks for writing this up, I was fascinated by the read.
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Jun 15 2016 10:10pm
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I think that you are onto something here. We have to be careful not to assume there is causality just because it appears to exist, but it seems as though there have been enough good studies and research to suggest there is a statistically significant relationship between mass shootings and increased media coverage that tends to "glorify" shooters and show their face and name everywhere. On the surface, the idea certainly seems plausible.

There are probably many factors that can increase the chance of a mass shooting occuring. These factors include mental illness, poverty, radicalization (religous and political), availabilty and ease of purchasing of firearms, among others. I'm comfortable adding what you desribed in the OP to that list. I think it can influence someone to commit a mass shooting.

Addressing this problem will be very difficult. I am generally not okay with requiring the media to do anything or cover things in a certain way as I think that can lead into a dangerous relationship between the state and the freedom of press.

That said, I have witnessed a growing movement among people in the US to not acknowledge the shooter's name or photo, and I hope this movement grows. With each mass shooting, I see this idea brought up more and more. I'm not sure if we can ever fully solve this problem, but we should at least make efforts to criticize media outlets that parade around a shooter's name and photo 24/7 after an incident. We must hold our media up to higher journalistic standards of integrity, and not just on this issue.

On a personal level, I shall try and discuss this topic with others around me and encourage them to not share a shooter's name and photo after a mass shooting. I know it probably feels underwhelming that these might be the only sorts of small things that we can do, but perhaps it is a start. Thanks for writing this up, I was fascinated by the read.


Thanks for taking the time to read the OP! :D

I understand reservations about requiring the media to do X, Y, or Z. I'm not sure having some type of legislation would be effective, however, countries have formed guidelines regarding the media's reporting of suicide and have implored media outlets to become educated on the phenomenon. At the very least, I would love to see Congress follow this model and in conjunction with sociologists, criminologists, and media members come together to draft guidelines for media reporting of mass shootings. Media outlets would not be required to follow the guidelines, but I certainly think it would help, especially in terms of making the citizenry more educated on this phenomenon so that they could potentially play their part in supporting/critiquing the media. I too have seen an increase in my peer group of people being critical of the media sensationalizing the shooter, and plastering their name and photo everywhere. Although despite this being an increased opinion in my peer group, I still recognize that we overwhelmingly are the minority. I've also seen comments on the news media I follow on Facebook espousing this opinion too, and have seen them garner considerable amounts of "likes". I commented this same opinion on a Facebook post by Fusion, and it became one of the top comments, with over 350 likes on it, which was pretty cool.

I too don't think we'll ever completely solve this problem, but I do think it's worth addressing, and that there's different options available to us and the media as we go forward. Of course I would love to see the focus always be on the victims, their loved ones, and how to help them. However, I know part of the reporting will necessarily involve talking about the shooter. If and when this does occur, I would rather the media (and us citizens) use language like the "Orlando shooter", or even use his initials like O.M. in this case. If and when they use photos, they should do so sparingly, but also do so in a way where not only can people understand important/relevant demographic information regarding the shooter, but that the the photo of the shooter is partially obscured so as to reduce a sense of "fame".

Just as an example, I took this uncensored photo from a news story regarding the Orlando shooter, and created this:



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Jun 15 2016 10:16pm
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Why do you hate freedom so much? Merka. :(


I think I am Captain Hate. When everyone needs some hate, they come to me.

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I was watching news coverage on CNN yesterday and it constantly showed different pictures of the shooter... I just don't understand it. I'm not surprised Anderson did that, he's a solid news host.

I'll read the actual thread later... Geez.


I look forward to your thoughts. :wub:
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Jun 16 2016 02:28am
Aside from the Columbine Effect, the Roanoke Shooter and the Umpqua Community College shooter, there are other definitive examples where mass shooters have either been obsessed with past mass shooters and/or have directly referenced them by name.

The Sandyhook shooter, aside from having a series of developmental and mental issues, was also obsessed with mass shooters, and had essentially a database of information regarding them on his computer. This is an excerpt from the official report of the State’s Attorney for the Judicial District of Danbury, Connecticut.

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He had a familiarity with and access to firearms and ammunition and an obsession with mass murders, in particular the April 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado.


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While the vast majority of persons interviewed had no explanation for the shooter’s actions, a review of electronic evidence or digital media that appeared to belong to the shooter, revealed that the shooter had a preoccupation with mass shootings, in particular the Columbine shootings and a strong interest in firearms. For example, there was a spreadsheet with mass murders over the years listing information about each shooting.


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The review of the electronic evidence also found many things that are on a typical hard drive or memory card that would probably have no relevance to the investigation either because of creation date or subject matter. That being said, the following selected topics or items were found within the digital evidence seized:

- Bookmarks pertaining to firearms, military, politics, mass murder, video games, music,
books, Army Ranger, computers and programs, ammunition, candy, economic books
- Web page design folders
- Two videos showing suicide by gunshot
- Commercial movies depicting mass shootings
- The computer game titled “School Shooting” where the player controls a character who
enters a school and shoots at students
- Screen shots (172) of the online game “Combat Arms”
- “Dance Dance Revolution” (DDR) game screen shots
- Videos of shooter playing DDR
- Images of the shooter holding a handgun to his head
- Images of the shooter holding a rifle to his head
- Five-second video (dramatization) depicting children being shot
- Images of shooter with a rifle, shotgun and numerous magazines in his pockets
- Documents on weapons and magazine capacity
- A document written showing the prerequisites for a mass murder spreadsheet
- A spreadsheet listing mass murders by name and information about the incident
- Materials regarding the topic of pedophilia and advocating for rights for pedophiles (not
child pornography)42
- Large amount of materials relating to Columbine shootings and documents on mass
murders

- Large amount of materials on firearms
- Comedy videos
- Music
- Images of hamsters
- Images of Lego creations


Source: http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf
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Jun 16 2016 02:33am


Time to post this again I guess.
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Jun 16 2016 02:46am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

Time to post this again I guess.


That was a really good video! I like what the forensic psychiatrist said at the end there, especially.
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Jun 16 2016 02:56am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 16 2016 12:46am)
That was a really good video! I like what the forensic psychiatrist said at the end there, especially.


media is just trying to make money off sensationalism, morals are secondary at best
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Jun 16 2016 02:59am
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media is just trying to make money off sensationalism, morals are secondary at best


I agree. The question becomes whether or not that sensationalist media reporting translates to inspiring future shooters.
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Jun 16 2016 02:39pm
It's been interesting to explore each individual mass shooting, and the associated shooter(s), to see if there are definitive examples where they directly reference past mass shooters.

This has been the case, with examples shown in this thread, so far among: Columbine copycats, the Roanoke shooter, the Umpqua Community College shooter, and the Sandy Hook shooter.

Now though, the Virginia Tech shooter can be added to this list, because the Virginia Tech shooter mailed a 23-page multimedia manifesto to NBC the day of the shooting. It contained a series of photographs and text, and here's an excerpt from that text in which he references the Columbine shooters:

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Generation after generation, we martyrs, like Eric and Dylan, will sacrifice our lives to fuck you thousand folds for what you Apostles of Sin have done to us.


Source: https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/cho_manifesto_1.1.pdf
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 16 2016 12:39pm)
It's been interesting to explore each individual mass shooting, and the associated shooter(s), to see if there are definitive examples where they directly reference past mass shooters.

This has been the case, with examples shown in this thread, so far among: Columbine copycats, the Roanoke shooter, the Umpqua Community College shooter, and the Sandy Hook shooter.

Now though, the Virginia Tech shooter can be added to this list, because the Virginia Tech shooter mailed a 23-page multimedia manifesto to NBC the day of the shooting. It contained a series of photographs and text, and here's an excerpt from that text in which he references the Columbine shooters:



Source: https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/cho_manifesto_1.1.pdf


unfortunately people have decided that they want beautiful actors reading borderline tmzish type news and delivering serious news the same way rather than journalists with integrity

we barely even have mainstream journalists anymore. Our comedians are the only ones on the national stage that are taking shit seriously and they often are on point with reactions to these tragedies
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