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Jun 14 2016 04:39pm
Does a windows 10 pc need anything other than windows defender and a malware scanner? (malwarebytes)

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Quote (AbDuCt @ Jun 6 2016 06:26pm)
Anti-virus software can only protect you from known threats.

That being said I suggest VTHash and VTzilla as two applications you should use on everything.

http://www.boredomsoft.org/vt-hash-check.bs
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vtzilla/

VTHash allows you to right click a file and generate a hash checksum to search Virustotal.com for. If it is found it will display the results, and if it is not found you can upload it to be scanned. Checking for results is pretty fast taking less than 10 seconds in most cases.
VTzilla is a firefox extension which allows you to upload files directly to Virustotal.com from the download menu in firefox so you can scan them before the files being saved to your computer.

These are both passive protections that you must run.

Another passive protection is malwarebytes anti malware.

As for active protection, since there are so many ways to bypass anti-virus protections there isn't really a need to run one. They take up memory and they are only good for finding threats that people already know about, or that are not a new variant of an older malware. If you use the first two applications on all files you download you will be better off rather than running one single active application.


Quote (AbDuCt @ Jun 7 2016 12:28am)
If it was posted on pcgamer it must be the best.

Just to further instantiate my post above bitdefender, although not having a public exploit released since like 2009, has around 6 known public exploits (which have been patched, but that is not the point).

Anti-virus software is just another stepping stone for attackers to gain access to the system. Like wise with many other vendors of software. If you want to stay secure you want to minimize your footprint, not broaden it.

https://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&description=bitdefender
https://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&description=avast
https://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&description=avg
https://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&description=panda
https://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&description=trend%20micro

Not to mention any malware a gamer will download will likely be produced by other gamers or "wanna be" hackers to incorporate FUD (fully un-detectable) techniques such as file encryption and memory injection (which can be purchased for as little as $1 per binary) to bypass the scanning techniques and fingerprints that an Anti-virus scans with. This results with undetectable malware being ran and installed with or without an Anti-virus product installed anyways.

As said before, Anti-virus products can only stop the threats that they are programmed to search for. Although having access to something that has a database for known threats can be an asset. For instance most web based exploit packages which attempt to attack you with multiple exploits at once to infect you are commonly shared between attackers. This allows Anti-virus software to create a definition and attempt to protect you from that specific threat.

There is a trade off.


Too lazy to retype all that.

Up to you if you want to run them. I personally don't and just is VTHash, and if I need to test something I really don't trust I inspect in a virtual environment.

This post was edited by AbDuCt on Jun 14 2016 06:14pm
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Jun 14 2016 06:21pm
Quote (AbDuCt @ Jun 14 2016 07:12pm)
Too lazy to retype all that.

Up to you if you want to run them. I personally don't and just is VTHash, and if I need to test something I really don't trust I inspect in a virtual environment.


does this still remain true for windows 10?
i used several for prior windows but was told 10 has a built in antivirus that does well.
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Jun 14 2016 06:27pm
Quote (dark-diabla @ Jun 14 2016 08:21pm)
does this still remain true for windows 10?
i used several for prior windows but was told 10 has a built in antivirus that does well.


Windows has ad a built in virus protection since Windows 7 (and perhaps vista if I recall).

The built in software is a piece of shit and shouldn't be used.

If you rather have the thought of being protected install bitdefender or something.
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Jun 16 2016 07:55pm
Some internet providers give access to a virus protection as well.

Comcast has a link for Norton on their website for users. I've always just used that. I have heard that the newer Windows Defender is much more viable than in the past though.
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Jun 16 2016 10:56pm
Quote (Motion @ Jun 16 2016 09:55pm)
Some internet providers give access to a virus protection as well.

Comcast has a link for Norton on their website for users. I've always just used that. I have heard that the newer Windows Defender is much more viable than in the past though.


Norton should be classified as malware.
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Jun 17 2016 02:06am
Quote (AbDuCt @ Jun 17 2016 06:56am)
Norton should be classified as malware.


Especially Symantec
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Jun 19 2016 02:42pm
because of the way OS's are built and the way they share information there is no hope. Windows 10 is a disaster with all the 'advanced' functionality. There are a thousand ways to get you. If you want 'protection'; best be on top of your game and understand how ALL of the ins/outs work.
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Jul 22 2016 02:47pm
All a computer needs is a competent user, also OS installer + backups > Antivirus.
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Jul 23 2016 06:41am
windows 10 is a virus - logs everything you do including mouse movements and microphone recording and sends it over the internet
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