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Apr 21 2016 08:13am
I find a funny general trend. Anytime someone says that billionaires will act negatively in response to things that hurt their bottom line critics say things like "you don't know that" or worse something like "they shouldnt be allowed to" or WORSE "lets make a law before they get the chance." Then it happens and the surprise comes from everywhere. Make a 15$ and hour wage? Robots will take your order. Obamacare? goodbye provider. And people are still surprised when it happens.
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Apr 21 2016 08:19am
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All the patient rights and protections have been amazing too. Actual service delivery has been better. More people using primary care doctors for their problems than the ER. More people are doing preventative health care. Social determinants of health are being recognized. There is more mental health parity.

Lots is great things that can't be measured in terms of how much richer rich guys get profiteering from health care.


Oh, absolutely. The ACA has been without question an immense success. It's unbelievable just how wide-reaching the successes have been in a little less than 2.5 years of open enrollment plus the additional years of lead-in. People forget that it added years of solvency to Medicare without any benefit cuts. The Medicaid expansion has saved lives and improved health. And, like most social insurance programs, Congress' budget estimators overestimated its cost while underestimated its savings in the initial estimations, which is why most of the CBO/JCT/CRS reports that have been done since the original find it costing less and less, and it already started as a deficit-neutral law.

That people complain about this thing at all is laughable. That simple act alone shows the depth of their policy ignorance. If they want to find tax revenue somewhere in the budget, they can find it much better somewhere else. If they want to cut excess expenditures, they can find it much better somewhere else. There's absolutely zero ideological or political rationale for attacking the ACA; it should be strengthened and expanded.
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Apr 21 2016 08:41pm
Quote (brmv @ Apr 21 2016 12:40am)
why do you always have to demonstrate your lack of knowledge?


You brag about freeloading and then get defensive when I use it as a pejorative, I don't get it.

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More drugs.

http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2014/09/02/which-countries-excel-in-creating-new-drugs-its-complicated/

More research.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/03/23/the-most-innovative-countries-in-biology-and-medicine/#73e5ba4b115d

Checkmate.
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Apr 21 2016 09:44pm
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Checkmate.


checkmate yourself, so much research needed for childbirth



:lol:

#heres
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 21 2016 09:45pm
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I am certainly not denying that medical costs are exorbitant.
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You brag about freeloading and then get defensive when I use it as a pejorative, I don't get it.
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since when is it freeloading when other countries pay a fair price but american taxpayers allow themselves to get ripped off?
elect politicians who will fix the health system or suffer the consequences

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since when is it freeloading when other countries pay a fair price but american taxpayers allow themselves to get ripped off?
elect politicians who will fix the health system or suffer the consequences


Because you acknowledge that those costs have to be covered and rejoice that your countries have successfully shirked their burdens in covering them and foisting those costs off on Americans. What do you think would happen if Americans introduced European style cost controls? YOUR prices would go up.
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Apr 22 2016 07:11am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 22 2016 07:05am)
Because you acknowledge that those costs have to be covered and rejoice that your countries have successfully shirked their burdens in covering them and foisting those costs off on Americans. What do you think would happen if Americans introduced European style cost controls? YOUR prices would go up.


A lot of the cost in our system is artificial. One good example is advertising. Other countries don't allow medical advertising and it takes up many times more of pharmaceutical company budget than R&D in the united states.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 22 2016 07:12am
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A lot of the cost in our system is artificial. One good example is advertising. Other countries don't allow medical advertising and it takes up many times more of pharmaceutical company budget than R&D in the united states.


To be fair, I don't think it should be legal here either. If the pharmaceutical must be prescribed, then you shouldn't be able to advertise it.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 22 Apr 2016 13:11)
A lot of the cost in our system is artificial. One good example is advertising. Other countries don't allow medical advertising and it takes up many times more of pharmaceutical company budget than R&D in the united states.


the key issue is that price gouging is prevalent in the united states because there is no controlling agency negotiating reasonable prices for prescription drugs
not sure how advertising would or does affect the cost of prescription drugs
is there substantial advertising for prescription drugs in the united states?
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