d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > $15 An Hour
Prev1272829303162Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 112,095
Joined: Jul 25 2008
Gold: 40.42
Apr 18 2016 10:24am
Quote (duffman316 @ 18 Apr 2016 07:21)
think you might be the only here who doesn't get what he's doing


I didn't for a little bit myself. To be fair, it's pretty dumb Poeing, and there's no reason to think him insincere rather than just dumb. There's no real hook to it.
Member
Posts: 33,880
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 633.87
Apr 18 2016 11:07am
Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Apr 18 2016 09:13am)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean with this. Can you explain please?



If you're a line employee your contributions to corporate success are pretty limited. You're one of a thousand employees, even if you're fantastic your contributions are going to have a marginal impact on firm profitability.

In sales this clearly isn't the case (and a different compensation model prevails), but for Operations, Client Service, and IT it makes more sense to pay for talent / experience at a set salary. Overachievers get raises and promotions, pushing them into roles where they'll eventually have a greater impact.

An overachiever shouldn't get a smaller bonus because the firm did poorly, and an underachiever shouldn't get a huge bonus when the firm does well.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Apr 18 2016 11:08am
Member
Posts: 20,223
Joined: Apr 30 2008
Gold: 5,169.82
Apr 18 2016 11:52pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 18 2016 07:07pm)
If you're a line employee your contributions to corporate success are pretty limited. You're one of a thousand employees, even if you're fantastic your contributions are going to have a marginal impact on firm profitability.

In sales this clearly isn't the case (and a different compensation model prevails), but for Operations, Client Service, and IT it makes more sense to pay for talent / experience at a set salary. Overachievers get raises and promotions, pushing them into roles where they'll eventually have a greater impact.

An overachiever shouldn't get a smaller bonus because the firm did poorly, and an underachiever shouldn't get a huge bonus when the firm does well.


Ok.

This is just another reason why it makes no sense for a company to increase its workers' wages when its revenue/income increases.

Member
Posts: 69,886
Joined: Jan 22 2009
Gold: 133,165.00
Apr 19 2016 01:24am
Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Apr 18 2016 09:52pm)
Ok.

This is just another reason why it makes no sense for a company to increase its workers' wages when its revenue/income increases.


companies naturally raise wages due to competitiveness of the industry. As profits soar, competitors compete for workers capable of serving them best to get customers. Wage wars are a very real thing.
Member
Posts: 20,223
Joined: Apr 30 2008
Gold: 5,169.82
Apr 19 2016 01:36am
Quote (RUSSiABANK @ Apr 19 2016 09:24am)
companies naturally raise wages due to competitiveness of the industry. As profits soar, competitors compete for workers capable of serving them best to get customers. Wage wars are a very real thing.


Yes, but only in jobs where supply and demand actually applies. In positions where there's way more supply than demand (such as most blue collar work), employers consider most of their employees to be completely replaceable. If someone gets stolen away by a competitor, you simply replace him with someone else.

For those people, wages are only raised if they actually need to be raised.
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 285.00
Apr 19 2016 05:10am
Quote (RUSSiABANK @ Apr 19 2016 02:24am)
companies naturally raise wages due to competitiveness of the industry. As profits soar, competitors compete for workers capable of serving them best to get customers. Wage wars are a very real thing.


No they don't because this isn't happening nor has it happening. You just make up shit all the time and say it is some sort of truth. You are the worse.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 19 2016 05:10am
Member
Posts: 64,656
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 260.11
Apr 19 2016 09:30am
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 19 2016 05:10am)
No they don't because this isn't happening nor has it happening. You just make up shit all the time and say it is some sort of truth. You are the worse.


Did you get to read the random thesis he wrote? Lots of general stuff like "money is how we measure value" with no references and no greater detail on anything.

Anyway he's what me and my friends call "your typical IQ 105". Smart enough to make some connections, but not smart enough to weed out the shitty conclusions.
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 285.00
Apr 19 2016 09:32am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 19 2016 10:30am)
Did you get to read the random thesis he wrote? Lots of general stuff like "money is how we measure value" with no references and no greater detail on anything.

Anyway he's what me and my friends call "your typical IQ 105". Smart enough to make some connections, but not smart enough to weed out the shitty conclusions.


Ethical egoist tend to project their personal values on everything and assume people are just not being honest with themselves or others.
Member
Posts: 90,716
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,489.69
Apr 19 2016 10:50am
Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Apr 19 2016 01:36am)
Yes, but only in jobs where supply and demand actually applies. In positions where there's way more supply than demand (such as most blue collar work), employers consider most of their employees to be completely replaceable. If someone gets stolen away by a competitor, you simply replace him with someone else.

For those people, wages are only raised if they actually need to be raised.


So in summary a raise on wages in those fields would be independent of supply and demand?

It sounds like you're making an argument for education, not a raise in the min. wage.
Member
Posts: 33,928
Joined: Sep 10 2007
Gold: 25.00
Apr 19 2016 11:11am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 19 2016 11:50am)
So in summary a raise on wages in those fields would be independent of supply and demand?

It sounds like you're making an argument for education, not a raise in the min. wage.


I would much rather have a system in place where we actually re-educate low value workers rather than raise minimum wage. Make someone worth $15 an hour rather than just artificially forcing the wage.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1272829303162Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll