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Nov 23 2015 06:41am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Nov 22 2015 05:23pm)
You people? the whole group behaves the same way?
do you just read the OP and then write your opinion, assuming everyone's reactions?
I admit that you've had a load more education than I've had I even venture that you probably are sharper now.
but you get pretty dismissive in this group of people whom like to trade ideas and thoughts.


The hysteric gun's rights advocates do, yes. I'm not talking about the average fire arm enthusiast who recognizes that they are collecting toys to have fun with, that it is a hobby that they enjoy, whether it be shooting animals or tinkering with intricate designs like mounting a new rail on an AR for better grip or putting on a nice collapsible stock (drives the politicians crazy, I like it).

When people say things like "unless individuals are free to roam unrestricted with copious amounts of firearms you can't complain if somebody murders you in a public place where you thought you might be safe". Of course we're not safe all the time, yes I am aware of my pending mortality. The statement is ridiculous. I'm having a hard time not just berating people who say things like this now. My tolerance for this stuff has taken a nosedive lately.

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Jan 18 2016 12:04pm
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/15/bill-allows-suits-over-gun-free-zone-incidents/78862948/

Interesting, there is a bill doing just this going through the process in Tennessee
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Jan 18 2016 12:35pm
Gun free zones are never places people are legally required to go. Not sure how the person's choice to enter a gun free zone could ever be superseded. In order to be a gun free zone it must be posted so the person sees that and makes a conscious decision to enter when they could have left.

Don't like gun free restaurants? Find another.

Don't like gun free hospitals? Bleed to death.

Don't like gun free universities? University of Phoenix online.

Don't like gun free public schools? Home school.

There is no necessity to use these services, even hospitals. Nor is there a legal requirement for using the services. If healing your own wounds was illegal as well as letting your own wound go untreated and hospitals were all gunfree zones there would be an argument. As it stands each person makes a decision to enter a hospital to get care knowing its an easy target for any mad man, and they must weigh that irrational fear against the likelihood they can forgo treatment.
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Jan 18 2016 01:19pm
Saying we should have no gun-free zones because some people will bring guns anyways is a lot like saying we shouldn't have speed limits because people will speed anyways.

Of course people will not always follow the rules and they will bring guns into gun-free zones. That doesn't make gun-free zones entirely stupid, it just means they don't work 100% of the time.

We need to have some amount of gun-free zones. Public schools, health care facilities, court rooms, just to name a few. Private businesses should have the discretion of deciding their policy on guns or not.

So yes, of course not everyone will follow the rules 100% of the time. But that doesn't mean we should get rid of gun-free zones. We still need to have them in some places.
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Jan 18 2016 02:43pm
Quote (Caulder10 @ 23 Nov 2015 02:29)
Actually, if you do some research...

In 100+ researched "rampage shootings" from 2000-2012; 3 were stopped by a civilian with a gun. 2 of those 3 were off-duty police officers. More than half the shooters stopped spontaneously on their own.

Source: https://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-2000-to-2012
About 1 in 6 were stopped by civilians, and the majority of those were tackling the attacker.

on another point you made:


While I can agree partially with this, the majority of school shootings are done with a parents gun, and as we have seen recently the parents tend to be extreme gun owners in-so they felt the need to hoard guns because they thought the government was going to take them away. (anyone that thinks this; is already mentally unstable and should not be allowed to own a gun)


So this means guns are not only dangerous but also mostly useless, and people talking about "self defense" are basically just kids dont want to lose they toy.
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Jan 18 2016 02:45pm
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So this means guns are not only dangerous but also mostly useless, and people talking about "self defense" are basically just kids dont want to lose they toy.


Because stopping mass shooters on a rampage is the only applicable form of self defense? No.

Come try and mug me on the street and you'll find out another perfectly applicable form of self defense.
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Jan 18 2016 02:58pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 18 Jan 2016 21:45)
Because stopping mass shooters on a rampage is the only applicable form of self defense? No.

Come try and mug me on the street and you'll find out another perfectly applicable form of self defense.



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Jan 18 2016 03:02pm
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If by child control you mean educational reform i completely agree.
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Jan 18 2016 03:18pm
Answering that question is accepting the premise that gun-free zones are more dangerous, which they are not.
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Jan 18 2016 03:30pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 18 2016 03:58pm)



Believe it or not, I agree with you on this one
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