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Nov 15 2015 07:24pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 14 2015 08:48pm)
She doesn't need an advantage, they can't come up with more than 1 other candidate


Gop Math:

1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot + 1 idiot = 1 President
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Nov 16 2015 08:53am
Quote (ThatAlex @ Nov 15 2015 01:21pm)
Yeah. Bernie Sanders is an independent who caucuses with the Democratic Party. Not technically a Democrat.

Personally, I think the DNC messed up by anointing Hillary too soon. They should have waited on many of the endorsements and slowly trickled them in.

It's bad for a party to pretty much only have one candidate. And that's what the DNC has.

The Republicans have the opposite problem. They have let their field be a little too big for a while now. They needed to cut people polling at less than 4% a couple debates ago to give the debates a little more quality.


What on earth? There's so much wrong with this.

The DNC has no influence on the electeds and how/when they're endorsing. If they went to their House members, let alone Senators and Governors, and tried to tell them how they should make this critical decision the electeds would tell them to go fuck themselves. It has major consequences for these people, especially with the dynamics of this race. Multiply it by ten when it's a Clinton, who have long memories, and who are THE draw in Democratic politics and will remain the most coveted surrogates for the next few cycles assuming their health keeps up, no matter what happens in this race.

Having one candidate is a godsend in a presidential primary, especially for the Democrats when they face such a systematic disadvantage among big-dollar donors. They can't afford to waste a dollar when they know Republican billionaires are just waiting to cut their eight-figure checks for their nominee. If the electeds stupidly sat on the sidelines and didn't line up behind Clinton then a ton of money and talent would be getting wasted right now, like it is on the Republican side, instead of lining up behind the party's best and only real chance to hold the White House.

The only time banking on your prohibitive favorite doesn't pan out is when something unexpected happens. It could happen with Clinton (emails, health) but that's not a reason to not line up. The DNC does have an organizational influence over the rest of the party, just like the RNC does with theirs, but they've been brilliant to use it how they have so far. There simply isn't a better alternative to Clinton in the Democratic party. She's the most popular candidate, who has the broadest appeal to the party, and there's all the other advantages she brings. Why would you not back your strength?

Edit: I understand that some people just happen to like another candidate, or dislike Hillary Clinton, but they're never going to be able to credibly argue that the party has made a mistake with the way they've coalesced around her. There's just no factual argument there.

This post was edited by Pollster on Nov 16 2015 08:55am
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Nov 19 2015 06:09am
Like any other capitalist election:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/11/18/secret-donors-fuel-democratic-political-powerhouse.html

Secret donors fuel pro-Democratic Party campaign powerhouse

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The opacity of Patriot Majority USA’s funding contrasts with many Democrats’ rhetoric decrying secret money in politics and organizing to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2010 decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. The ruling, in part, freed certain nonprofit groups to spend massive amounts of money on politics while withholding information about their contributors.

The biggest donor to the nonprofit gave $8.25 million, according to the new filing with the Internal Revenue Service, which lists the amounts received by Patriot Majority USA last year but not the donors’ names.

Six other unknown donors gave seven-figure sums. One gave $2.7 million. Another gave $2.2 million. One gave $1.2 million. And three gave $1 million.

About three-dozen other donors gave at least $100,000.

Other government filings indicate that some of Patriot Majority USA’s financial support came from labor unions.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, for instance, gave Patriot Majority USA $750,000 in 2014, according to documents it submitted to the U.S. Department of Labor.

Meanwhile, the American Federation of Teachers states it gave Patriot Majority USA $550,000 last year, according to its Department of Labor filings.

Filings further show that the National Education Association gave Patriot Majority USA $50,000 last year and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters gave $10,000.

Campaign finance filings submitted to the Federal Election Commission also show that Democratic super PAC Senate Majority PAC contributed about $35,000 to Patriot Majority USA last year.

In the past, Patriot Majority USA has also received money from trade groups such as the Partnership for Quality Home Healthcare and the American Health Care Association.

Varoga, in an emailed statement, defended Patriot Majority USA’s work.

“Our c4 has been recognized by the IRS and has a very well-defined, multi-year, bipartisan primary purpose, which is to work on economic solutions and encourage job creation throughout the United States,” he wrote. “The political work that we do is secondary to the larger economic mission of the Patriot Majority Action Plan.”

Conservative attorney Cleta Mitchell — who vehemently disagrees with Public Citizen’s call for new limits on nonprofits’ political spending — also criticized Varoga’s group.

“I don’t have an objection to an organization spending 40 percent of its money on political activities,” Mitchell said.

“What I do object to is the hypocrisy,” she continued. “Democrats are total hypocrites on all of this.”


And: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/26/clinton-white-house-sleepover-guests-still-writing-checks.html

Renting out Lincolns bedroom was a super classy move lol.
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Nov 19 2015 06:59am
Quote (Skinned @ Nov 19 2015 08:09am)
Like any other capitalist election:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/11/18/secret-donors-fuel-democratic-political-powerhouse.html

Secret donors fuel pro-Democratic Party campaign powerhouse



And: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/26/clinton-white-house-sleepover-guests-still-writing-checks.html

Renting out Lincolns bedroom was a super classy move lol.


More reasons we need Bernie.
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Nov 19 2015 08:59am
Quote (Pollster @ Nov 16 2015 07:53am)


Having one candidate is a godsend in a presidential primary, especially for the Democrats when they face such a systematic disadvantage among big-dollar donors. They can't afford to waste a dollar when they know Republican billionaires are just waiting to cut their eight-figure checks for their nominee. If the electeds stupidly sat on the sidelines and didn't line up behind Clinton then a ton of money and talent would be getting wasted right now, like it is on the Republican side, instead of lining up behind the party's best and only real chance to hold the White House.



is this guy serious? hillary receives far more from wall street and the banks, even outpacing republicans. Jay just told a bold faced lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/
Washpo expose

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/
since i know you LOVE fact checking websites
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Nov 19 2015 10:10am
Quote (Skinned @ Nov 19 2015 07:09am)
Like any other capitalist election:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/11/18/secret-donors-fuel-democratic-political-powerhouse.html

Secret donors fuel pro-Democratic Party campaign powerhouse

And: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/26/clinton-white-house-sleepover-guests-still-writing-checks.html

Renting out Lincolns bedroom was a super classy move lol.


Nah, Hillary wants to overturn Citizens United, donchaknow?
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Nov 19 2015 10:15am
Quote (Santara @ Nov 19 2015 11:10am)
Nah, Hillary wants to overturn Citizens United, donchaknow?


I hate feigned indignation the most.
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Nov 19 2015 10:24am
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 14 2015 08:03pm)
I think the best thing was when Bernie went to Nevada to try and court Latinos (was with some Hispanic group and had a mariachi band there)...only white people showed up.


Bernie is turning out to be a bigger joke than Ron Paul
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Nov 19 2015 10:29am
Quote (j0ltk0la @ Nov 19 2015 12:24pm)
Bernie is turning out to be a bigger joke than Ron Paul


By being one of the top candidates despite having exclusively grassroots funding and being the only one who took no money from corporations? Yeah, what a joke.
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Nov 19 2015 11:16am
Quote (Voyaging @ Nov 19 2015 08:29am)
By being one of the top candidates despite having exclusively grassroots funding and being the only one who took no money from corporations? Yeah, what a joke.


How is he a top candidate? I didn't realize that losing states by 50%+ made you a top candidate.
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