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Aug 25 2015 04:33pm
Quote (nobrow @ Aug 25 2015 05:31pm)
You're even more retarded and misinformed if you think petroleum isn't subsidized.


To the extent corn ethanol is? Hardly.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 25 2015 05:21pm)
Doesn't touch the carbon emissions problem so it's not a viable long term solution.

there will be no long term solution, we're all going to hell.
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Aug 25 2015 04:45pm
Retarded Logic - Oil subsidy is less subsidized than corn subsidy so therefore using Oil in my gas guzzler makes me free-er.
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I think you're completely retarded and misinformed.

The mileage dropoff isn't 25%, it's closer to 33%. The cost factor is seriously off. Corn ethanol (sugar isn't going to cut it in the US climate) is extremely heavily subsidized already. The unsubsidized price at the pump of E85 has to be at least 33% better than the same price of straight gasoline (the US currently mandates E10 blend, and some states already mandate E20 in all gasoline). E85 is not environmentally safer than straight gasoline.



And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the combustion system we have now can't operate steadily on pure ethanol, if it has too much sugar which doesn't get "cut " by any petroleum based additive the injectors and cylinders will gum up especially at the lower combustion temps. This was talk from a few years ago I had with a local High School teacher that builds cars that run on any oil based product used motor oil, McDonalds old fry oil really any kind. But he has done major piston and injector work on them.because of the lower temp. Plus the epa. would bury him in a hazardous waste site I'm sure as the cars smoke like old Mack Trucks going up hill.
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Aug 25 2015 04:50pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 25 2015 05:45pm)
Retarded Logic - Oil subsidy is less subsidized than corn subsidy so therefore using Oil in my gas guzzler makes me free-er.


Yes, your logic is retarded. The first step is acknowledging the problem, congratulations.

I don't believe in subsidies at all.

Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Aug 25 2015 05:49pm)
And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the combustion system we have now can't operate steadily on pure ethanol, if it has too much sugar which doesn't get "cut " by any petroleum based additive the injectors and cylinders will gum up especially at the lower combustion temps. This was talk from a few years ago I had with a local High School teacher that builds cars that run on any oil based product used motor oil, McDonalds old fry oil really any kind. But he has done major piston and injector work on them.because of the lower temp. Plus the epa. would bury him in a hazardous waste site I'm sure as the cars smoke like old Mack Trucks going up hill.


They are engineering better engines all the time, including ethanol based ones, but your general premise is correct.

This post was edited by Santara on Aug 25 2015 05:02pm
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Aug 26 2015 01:21am
Agreed. however, Ethanol damages gasoline engines, even ones that were made to burn E85.

Source: Multiple Car Mechanic and Racing Enthusiast Magazines.
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