Any economy that doesn't exploit the middle/lower class is Communist.

Right, but there's also a central problem with the way h1b program is run, the people employed through it are beholden to a company which means they can be sent home to even worse circumstances often, so the employers have tremendous leverage to pressure the wage rates down, so it's not necessarily the fact that they're immigrants working here being a problem, but rather the instrument which is used to allow them work here.

How would you propose a fix? Government allows skilled foreigners to work here regardless of corporate sponsorship? Good luck with that.

I'm not suggesting this is politically feasible, merely that it alleviates some of the problems of the status quo which you guys are worried about.

Get a degree or learn something that is worth being paid for.

Don't just swing a hammer and expect the good life. This is the free market at work.

This isn't the Flintstones, where a single-income working class family can afford their own house.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 24 2015 07:01pm

The difference is vast between the cost of American and Indian labor, and the quality of service only moderately deteriorates. This is not universally the case, as America's large trade surplus in services implies. There are many professions, take finance, where the United States doesn't just in-source, but exports the finished product. Quality and expertise are less required for some industries than others, America must focus on its relative strengths, not weaknesses.

If a non-American can do an Americans job, why not? Immigrants are not pricing out Americans, because they rapidly acclimatize to American levels of compensation. I would accept that, all other things being equal, a country should prefer a native to a foreigner (as preference to culture). But if the American can't hold his own it's tantamount to welfare. The United States doesn't prosper by coddling the less skilled, competition is beneficial to long-run national interests.

I would be surprised to see a long-term decline in innovation, because technological success in the United States has been driven by it. If Indian and Chinese graduates are inherently less skilled they will lose labor share to American workers over time. Successful firms will continue to chase proven talent.

You would only be right to be concerned if it's true that foreigners are intrinsically better than American workers. Harder worker, more innovative, and at a lower cost. If that's the case, then why are we protecting these (i.e. American) workers in the first place?

You're a unionist for STEM majors, I want no part in it.



I'm sad that this is satire.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Aug 24 2015 08:47pm

R&D has been suffering though, look at the pharma industry for example. The giant corporations are hardly investing in R&D, they just buy startups that have a potential product and let everyone go. Thenstragety isn't panning out too well.

That's actually very wrong, Social class isn't defined by wealth in socialism - "exploitation" is a fact in all political systems and the base of all business. The fact you want to paint it as a communist attribute is just personal denial and spontaneous trait transference (google it) and symptomatic of of how you define the world in which you live in and treat others.

Lol, you literally make zero sense.

I never said social class was defined by wealth in Communism. Communism seeks a classless society.

In a real Communist society, there would be no exploitation of labor.



Paint what as a Communist attribute? Exploitation? Are you capable of reading? That's the opposite of what I said.

Did the mental hospital leave out a psych textbook?

makes me sad when people say this and still support the blatant exploitation. it could be worse though, you could be like our libertarian friends who pretend hypercapitalism benefits the lower class


e/ wew card sultan scale of stupid is going to need an 11 soon

This post was edited by Devil_kin on Aug 24 2015 09:26pm