Stop it. Worker exploitation happens, slavery still happens, but the white-collar workers in Indian tech-hubs like Bangalore are not being exploited. I work with them on a daily basis, they're being paid 6-7x the GDP per capita, and they're making far, far more than what the "unexploited" are scratching out in rural farms.

American workers are worth more because they produce more. As human capital they're inherently more valuable; the result of education and upbringing. A consequence is that it's not cost effective to hire that same educated labor for menial tasks, hence the exporting of low-skill jobs offshore.

High-tech industry is still being done onshore. Service jobs are not ubiquitously low-paying, as I'm sure tech and finance professionals would agree. You can't outsource without accepting a reduction in quality, which for many, many, jobs isn't an acceptable trade-off (my company has recently started taking work back onshore for the same reason).

Ask yourself what $1 an hour laborers in Vietnam can do. Can they provide high-end service to American consumers? Are they at the center of the tech boom? Do they provide innovative financial or logistical services? Americans are not at risk of being run out of work, but we need to accept that simplistic tasks (like putting together cars) are best done by those most suited to the task. And that isn't educated labor.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Aug 23 2015 04:20pm

There's so many mistakes in there, I would need 5 hours to talk about each one and make quotes of every sentence. Sounds like you're the one being exploited and trying to legitimize it to yourself. By your same argument, the Company you work for should just relocate to the poorest parts of africa and pay a fraction of what they do now - Bangladesh and Vietnam have too many growing human rights - time to pack up and head for more fertile ground.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Aug 23 2015 05:45pm

It's not a quality thing you moron. It's a cost cutting method, or do you really think people who reach call centers enjoy giving their social security number and insurance information to someone who can hardly speak English.

The difference between the Chinese and Indians is that they won't demand fair treatment. They're obedient. They're Theon Grayjoys. They'll quiver and apologize for the slightest miscommunication or shortcoming. They'll let managers walk all over them. That's the society you'd create. Where the underclasses don't even have a voice. Obedient dogs.

You're a fucking clown dude.

Inb4 you report me because you're a cuckolded faggot fuck.

This post was edited by PlasmaSnake101 on Aug 23 2015 06:25pm

Cost-cutting that may have a demonstrable quality impact. It's clearly not that quality doesn't matter, or else you wouldn't see call center business moving from India to the Philippines. The United States has a $200 billion dollar trade surplus in services, clearly not easily outsourced.

The Chinese are demanding fair(er) treatment, and they have been for decades. We wouldn't be discussing Vietnam if it weren't for rising wages in China, demanded as a consequence of fast-paced economic growth. Besides, it's patently obvious from looking at Japan that costs in collectivized societies do rise alongside level of wealth.



Who are you convincing here? I can't make any sense of what you type.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Aug 23 2015 07:57pm

Quality products aren't cost effective though. Why upgrade to the newest when you don't have to? I somewhat agree with you Plasma, I remember looking for jobs before graduation and finding all of these h1b mills offering shit. Companies aren't "allowed" to pay h1b's less than citizens but they work around it by creating entire departments of only h1b's. The STEM shortage is a lie, hyped by companies to drive employment costs down. I found out about this my first year, and still went through it with no regrets.

Not really the h1bers fault that residents come out of school with ridiculous debt and aren't able to compete with people who may have learned the stuff outside of the crazily-subsidized US higher ED system and don't need the extra money to pay off a debt... don't blame the players blame the game!

Even with no debt the jobs at the h1b mills are shit. I remember seeing a posting for one in San Fran for 18$/hr, and it was advertised as being "perfect" for h1b. They are driving down the cost of labor, we have enough stem grads already.

I pretty much agree with OP. I think the "doing jobs Americans don't want to do" argument is a pretty silly one.

That said, this country was built on exploiting the lower class. If we aren't exploiting illegal immigrants, we will exploit other lower class citizens, albeit to a lesser extent.

And even if we aren't exploiting anyone in this country, we will still certainly be benefiting from the exploitation of workers across the globe.

There isn't much we can do about that, but it is important to recognize.