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#121
Aug 19 2015 12:33am
Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 19 2015 07:17am)
God did with Pharaoh, The LORD hardened his heart. What is your point?



So he basically rigged the game for the guy, kind of a dick move, don't you think?
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Aug 19 2015 04:38am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 19 2015 04:32pm)
No, that isn't an example. Pharaoh can go wrong, he is human.

God could have created humans such that they had free will, but never chose to do the wrong thing. God certainly has free will but can never do the wrong thing, so it is possible. It doesn't mean anything that you can't imagine it happening, God is greater than you.


You obviously didn't read my previous post with an open heart did you? Just like you obviously have never even read the book of Exodus from start to finish.

I should ask, what was Moses's mothers name?

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Aug 19 2015 04:33pm)
So he basically rigged the game for the guy, kind of a dick move, don't you think?


Could you please retell the entire story for me again in your own words about what was going on at the time? If you can do that then I'll explain the entire concept to you.
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#123
Aug 19 2015 06:17am
Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 19 2015 04:38am)
You obviously didn't read my previous post with an open heart did you? Just like you obviously have never even read the book of Exodus from start to finish.

I should ask, what was Moses's mothers name?

Could you please retell the entire story for me again in your own words about what was going on at the time? If you can do that then I'll explain the entire concept to you.


If you aren't willing to continue for some reason you can just stop replying instead of deflecting when the subject matter gets uncomfortable.
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#124
Aug 19 2015 07:14am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Aug 2015 01:32)
No, that isn't an example. Pharaoh can go wrong, he is human.

God could have created humans such that they had free will, but never chose to do the wrong thing. God certainly has free will but can never do the wrong thing, so it is possible. It doesn't mean anything that you can't imagine it happening, God is greater than you.


I think the concept of granting "free will" loses it's strength if you throw in the codicil but never choose wrong. I think then the term Helicopter God would come into play :lol: btw. nice to see you back! :)
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#125
Aug 19 2015 06:09pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 19 2015 10:17pm)
If you aren't willing to continue for some reason you can just stop replying instead of deflecting when the subject matter gets uncomfortable.


So then tell me how you can have free will but cannot choose to do wrong? Are you not free then?
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#126
Aug 19 2015 10:54pm
Quote (CPK001 @ Aug 19 2015 06:09pm)
So then tell me how you can have free will but cannot choose to do wrong? Are you not free then?


I would think God would be the perfect example. God has free will but would never do anything wrong.
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#127
Aug 19 2015 11:43pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 20 2015 12:54am)
I would think God would be the perfect example. God has free will but would never do anything wrong.


Would never or could never?
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#128
Aug 19 2015 11:56pm
Quote (Tylr @ Aug 19 2015 10:43pm)
Would never or could never?



Could never. God by His very essence Is pure. His will is also completely pure. For God to do something wrong is an imposebility.

His will Is. It operates outside of time but manifests itself in time.
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#129
Aug 20 2015 06:25am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 20 2015 02:54pm)
I would think God would be the perfect example. God has free will but would never do anything wrong.


Refer to what ofthevoid said.
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#130
Aug 20 2015 06:36am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 20 Aug 2015 05:56)
Could never. God by His very essence Is pure. His will is also completely pure. For God to do something wrong is an imposebility.

His will Is. It operates outside of time but manifests itself in time.


And yet he kills innocent babies, commands that their heads be dashed against rocks and that his chosen people should rape young virgins.

The God of the bible IS an impossibility. A self-contradicting mess.

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