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Hitler never wanted war with Britain or France.

He did want a war with Poland as a result of terror attacks on German 'Poles' and the Polish government's refusal to accept his proposal for a Danzig Korridor as well as the incorporation of Danzig into the Reich (see a partially accurate account here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor#Nazi_Era and here http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency..._corridor.html ).

Also see:


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"The Free City of Danzig had an ethnic German majority of over 90% and a Polish minority of about 4 to 8%. It had its own currency, flag, anthem, ..."

http://david.national-anthems.net/dnz.htm

"The Free City had a population of 357,000 (1919), most of whom (about 90%) were German-speakers,..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Ci...zig#Population



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Reports of increased hostilities breaking out between ethnic Poles and Germans in late August 1939 was the reason for a full-out German invasion (Sept 1st).

William Joyce, nicknamed Lord Haw Haw by British propaganda, became a German citizen and took up the German cause. He described the conditions of the Germans who were living in Poland as:


"German men and women were hunted like wild beasts through the streets of Bromberg. When they were caught, they were mutilated and torn to pieces by the Polish mob. . . . Every day the butchery increased. . . . [T]housands of Germans fled from their homes in Poland with nothing more than the clothes that they wore..

On the nights of August 25 to August 31 inclusive, there occurred, besides innumerable attacks on civilians of German blood, 44 perfectly authenticated acts of armed violence against German official persons and property."



Reference: Twilight Over England, 125-6.

Hitler declared to British Ambassador Sir Nevile Henderson on August 25, 1939:

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“Poland’s provocations have become intolerable.”


Hitler placed blame on the 10% Jewish population for spurring on the violence, in addition to a reckless Polish government edged on by British and French unconditional support. Specifically, Poland officials remained unconcerned about rising tensions with Germany by promises of British Ambassador Sir Howard William Kennard and French Ambassador Leon Noel - that Briain and France would come to Poland’s immediate aid should she need it.

One can only imagine how the British empire would have been subdivided had Germany won WWI: Scotland, Wales, England, Northern Ireland would have been made independently sovereign. In Canada, Quebec would have been separated. One wonders how long it would have taken before we would have forced reunification?

Hitler made several official peace offers to Britain, most notably in September 1939, October 1939, July 1940 (after the fall of France), January 1941, etc.

References: http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/411003bwp.html and http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ler050441.html

German General Blumentritt stated that Hitler allowed the British to escape at Dunkirk:

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"He [Hitler] then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence, and the civilization that Britain had brought into the world. He remarked with a shrug of the shoulders, that the creation of the Empire had been achieved by means that were often harsh, but “where there is planning there are shavings flying.” He compared the British Empire with the Catholic Church—saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany’s position on the continent. The return of Germany’s lost colonies would be desirable but not essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in any difficulties anywhere."



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Default An Overview of Hitler's Peace Proposals
Hitler never wanted war with Britain or France.

He did want a war with Poland as a result of terror attacks on German 'Poles' and the Polish government's refusal to accept his proposal for a Danzig Korridor as well as the incorporation of Danzig into the Reich (see a partially accurate account here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor#Nazi_Era and here http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency..._corridor.html ). Also see:

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"The Free City of Danzig had an ethnic German majority of over 90% and a Polish minority of about 4 to 8%. It had its own currency, flag, anthem, ..."

http://david.national-anthems.net/dnz.htm

"The Free City had a population of 357,000 (1919), most of whom (about 90%) were German-speakers,..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Ci...zig#Population
Reports of increased hostilities breaking out between ethnic Poles and Germans in late August 1939 was the reason for a full-out German invasion (Sept 1st).

William Joyce, nicknamed Lord Haw Haw by British propaganda, became a German citizen and took up the German cause. He described the conditions of the Germans who were living in Poland as:

Quote:
"German men and women were hunted like wild beasts through the streets of Bromberg. When they were caught, they were mutilated and torn to pieces by the Polish mob. . . . Every day the butchery increased. . . . [T]housands of Germans fled from their homes in Poland with nothing more than the clothes that they wore..

On the nights of August 25 to August 31 inclusive, there occurred, besides innumerable attacks on civilians of German blood, 44 perfectly authenticated acts of armed violence against German official persons and property."
Reference: Twilight Over England, 125-6.

Hitler declared to British Ambassador Sir Nevile Henderson on August 25, 1939:
Quote:
“Poland’s provocations have become intolerable.”
Hitler placed blame on the 10% Jewish population for spurring on the violence, in addition to a reckless Polish government edged on by British and French unconditional support. Specifically, Poland officials remained unconcerned about rising tensions with Germany by promises of British Ambassador Sir Howard William Kennard and French Ambassador Leon Noel - that Briain and France would come to Poland’s immediate aid should she need it.

One can only imagine how the British empire would have been subdivided had Germany won WWI: Scotland, Wales, England, Northern Ireland would have been made independently sovereign. In Canada, Quebec would have been separated. One wonders how long it would have taken before we would have forced reunification?

Hitler made several official peace offers to Britain, most notably in September 1939, October 1939, July 1940 (after the fall of France), January 1941, etc.

References: http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/411003bwp.html and http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ler050441.html

German General Blumentritt stated that Hitler allowed the British to escape at Dunkirk:

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"He [Hitler] then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence, and the civilization that Britain had brought into the world. He remarked with a shrug of the shoulders, that the creation of the Empire had been achieved by means that were often harsh, but “where there is planning there are shavings flying.” He compared the British Empire with the Catholic Church—saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany’s position on the continent. The return of Germany’s lost colonies would be desirable but not essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in any difficulties anywhere."


Reference: Barnes, Harry Elmer, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, 162

During the Blitzkrieg, it was also noted:

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The Germans contacted the British embassador in Sweden during the invasion of France - Victor Mallet, through Sweden´s Supreme Court judge Ekeberg, who was known to Hitler´s legal advisor, Ludwig Weissauer.

"Hitler, according to his emissary [Weissauer], feels himself responsible for the future of the White race. He sincerely wishes friendship with England. He wishes peace to be restored, but the ground must be prepared for it: only after careful preparation may official negotiations begin. Until then the condition must be considered that discussions be unofficial and secret. [...]

Hitler´s basic ideas [are that] today´s economic problems are different from those of the past [...] In order to achieve economic progress one must calculate on the basis of big territories and consider them an economic unit. Napoleon tried, but in his days it wasnt possible because France wasnt in the center of Europe and communications were too hard. Now Germany is in the center of Europe and has the necessary means to provide communication and transportation services.

England and America now have the best fleets and will naturally continue to, because they will need the oceans for their supply. Germany has the continent. In what concerns Russia, Weissauer has given the impression that it should be seen as a potential enemy. "

According to Mallet, these were Hitler´s peace terms:

"1-The British Empire retains all its Colonies and delegations
2- Germany´s continental supremacy won't be questioned
3- All questions concerning the Mediterranean and its French, Belgian and Dutch colonies are open to discussion
4- Poland. A Polish state must exist
5- Checkoslovakia must belong to Germany

Weissauer didn´t go into details, but Ekeberg understood that implied that all European states occupied by Germany would see their sovereignty restored. Germany´s occupation was only due to the present military situation.



Reference: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitler-Hess-.../dp/0007141181 The Hitler Hess Deception by Martin Allen


German General Blumentritt’s statement (shown above) is not the only notice about Hitler’s hope of peace and friendship with England. The renowned Swedish Explorer Sven Hedin observed Hitler’s confusion about Britain’s refusal to accept his peace offers:

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Hitler “felt he had repeatedly extended the hand of peace and friendship to the British, and each time they had blacked his eye in reply.” Hitler said, “The survival of the British Empire is in Germany’s interests too because if Britain loses India, we gain nothing thereby.”


Reference: Irving, David, Hitler’s War, paperback edition, Avon History, 236.

For 20 years Hitler had dreamed of an alliance with Britain.

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As Hitler told Maj. Quisling on August 18, 1940: “After making one proposal after another to the British on the reorganization of Europe, I now find myself forced against my will to fight this war against Britain....”


Reference: Irving, op. cit., 236.

Hitler tried to remain as civil in war as possible towards Britain, that is before the British bombing of civilian targets.

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"Hitler had given orders that no British towns were to be bombed and, above all, bombing of London was completely forbidden and embargoed."


Reference: Theodore J. O'Keefe. Irving on Churchill. Institute for Historical Review. Date: Spring 1986. Issue:Volume 7 number 4. Location: Page 498 ISSN: 0195-6752 http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html

Hitler stayed the hand of the Luftwaffe and forbade any attack on London under pain of court-martial; the all-out saturation bombing of London, which his strategic advisers Raeder, Jodl, and Jeschonnek all urged upon him, was vetoed. Though his staffs were instructed to examine every peripheral British position—Gibraltar, Egypt, the Suez Canal—for its vulnerability to attack, the heart of the British Empire was allowed to beat on. In these months an adjutant overheard Hitler heatedly shouting into a Chancellery telephone:

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“We have no business to be destroying Britain. We are quite incapable of taking up her legacy,” meaning the empire; and he spoke of the “devastating consequences of the collapse of that empire."


Reference: Irving, op. cit., 236.

More:

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Hitler offered total cessation of the war in the West. Germany would evacuate all of France except Alsace and Lorraine, which would remain German. It would evacuate Holland and Belgium, retaining Luxembourg. It would evacuate Norway and Denmark. In short, Hitler offered to withdraw from Western Europe, except for the two French provinces and Luxembourg [Luxembourg was never a French province, but an independent state of ethnically German origin], in return for which Great Britain would agree to assume an attitude of benevolent neutrality towards Germany as it unfolded its plans in Eastern Europe. In addition, the Führer was ready to withdraw from Yugoslavia and Greece. German troops would be evacuated from the Mediterranean generally and Hitler would use his good offices to arrange a settlement of the Mediterranean conflict between Britain and Italy. No belligerent or neutral country would be entitled to demand reparations from any other country, he specified.

The proposal contained many other points, including plans for plebiscites and population exchanges where these might be necessitated by shifts in population that has resulted from the military action in Western Europe and the Balkans. But the versions circulating in authoritative circles all agree on the basic points outlined above.


Reference: Mark Weber. The Inside Story of the Hess Flight. Institute for Historical Review. Issue:Volume 3 number 3. Location: Page 291 http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p291_Anon.html

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Irving pointed out that Churchill rejected Hitler's peace offers in 1939, 1940, and 1941 (Irving supports the thesis that Rudolf Hess's flight to Scodand was ordered by the Führer). Irving pinpointed one critical moment, and supplied the background:


Reference: Theodore J. O'Keefe. Irving on Churchill. Institute for Historical Review. Date: Spring 1986. Issue:Volume 7 number 4. Location: Page 498 ISSN: 0195-6752 http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html

When Churchill was leaving London to meet Roosevelt for a conference in Quebec late in the summer of 1943, a reporter asked if they were planning to offer peace terms to Germany. Churchill replied:

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“Heavens, no. They would accept immediately.”


Reference: Martin, James J., Revisionist Viewpoints, 75.

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In January 1941, Hitler was making extraordinary efforts to come to peace terms with England, undoubtedly in preparation for war with Russia. He offered, if Britain would assume an attitude of neutrality, to withdraw from all of France, to leave Holland and Belgium . . . to evacuate Norway and Denmark, and to support British and French industries by buying their products. His proposal had many other favorable points for England and Western Europe.


Reference: McLaughlin,op cit., 10.

In a January 1, 1944, letter to Stalin, Churchill said:

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“We never thought of peace, not even in that year when we were completely isolated and could have made peace without serious detriment to the British Empire, and extensively at your cost. Why should we think of it now, when victory approaches for the three of us?”


Reference: Walendy, Udo, The Methods of Reeducation, 3.

There are some more interesting points made about WWII in this article:

Was WWII Worth It?
For Stalin, yes
by Patrick J. Buchanan

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=5899

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When one considers the losses suffered by Britain and France – hundreds of thousands dead, destitution, bankruptcy, the end of the empires – was World War II worth it, considering that Poland and all the other nations east of the Elbe were lost anyway?

If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in. If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe. Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead? The war Britain and France declared to defend Polish freedom ended up making Poland and all of Eastern and Central Europe safe for Stalinism.

--Patrick J Buchanan


NS Germany was a democratically elected response to communism which existed beside it, which had already been responsible for the murder of millions; to name a few: the Ukranian Holocaust (9 million).

German fears of Bolshevism:

Stalin's Willing Executioners
Dr Kevin MacDondald

California State University, Occidental Quarterly, 2005

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/SlezkineRev.pdf


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