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May 19 2015 11:16am
Quote (Master_Zappy @ May 19 2015 11:12am)
I think all the warrants that were issued for victimless crimes should be tossed, no victim no crime. So offenses like drug possession, violations of ordinance, traffic offenses and crimes of this nature.
The ones for violence, theft or damage of another person or their property ought to be enforced.


Doing it this way should free up resources needed to pursue actual criminals.


I did a bit more reading into it and it seems all of the estimated 1.2 million warrants are for minor offenses, or of course minor offenses while on parole which is a major offense.

I agree that the 1.2 million warrants should potentially be burned from a monetary standpoint or even from a "catching the bigger fish" standpoint but what effect will this have on the crime rates moving forward? Not sure myself but i see some really bad possibilities which could become reality.
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May 19 2015 11:17am
Quote (Caedus @ May 19 2015 10:34am)
There will be people with hundreds of active warrants on them. NYPD is huge but they're understaffed and underfunded. Don't have the manpower to go after all the little ones.


if they're under staffed that's all the more reason for them to not waste time on trivial matters

unless you're considering this a source of funding?
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May 19 2015 11:19am
Quote (duffman316 @ May 19 2015 11:17am)
if they're under staffed that's all the more reason for them to not waste time on trivial matters

unless you're considering this a source of funding?


perhaps the city should offer anyone who has warrants as a result of unpaid tickets amnesty for paying off the original tickets. Otherwise they will just jail them and not get any of the ticket money. That would be a nice fun raiser.
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May 19 2015 12:08pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 19 2015 10:55am)
So are black people incapable of getting ID's or are they all on welfare (which requires ID)?

You need to get your Republican Fictional Universe in order.


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May 19 2015 12:11pm
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May 19 2015 12:31pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 19 2015 11:53am)
What the hell does a driver's liscence mean to someone born and raised in NYC?

the people with these warrants likely couldnt afford parking let alone a car. That "enforcement" you're talking about works fine and dandy in low population density areas because having a car is a necessity, in NYC its not even close to a necessity.


even if you ignore that, what does it cost to arrest someone and jail them for 4 days?

Probably thousands and thousands of dollars....for a 50 dollar fine?

just garnish their wages....and if they have no income, let it go....not worth the cost
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May 19 2015 01:00pm
Quote (bitg_pj @ May 19 2015 12:31pm)
even if you ignore that, what does it cost to arrest someone and jail them for 4 days?

Probably thousands and thousands of dollars....for a 50 dollar fine?

just garnish their wages....and if they have no income, let it go....not worth the cost


I agree with you, however there is the ideology that criminal sanctions should be devoid (or nearly so) of cost-benifit analysis in order to uphold the rule of law. Then essentially think that if we begin to selectively enforce laws based on their cost that the rule of law will decay. I think thats largely poppy-cock but i understand the concern. No one knows the actual effects of 1.2 million overnight pardons because its never happened.

I think the best middle ground is a constantly open door to pay off your fines (with no penalties) and face no jail time as a result. Dont want to go to jail over something as trivial as a 50$ ticket? Easy just pay it off.
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May 19 2015 01:21pm
Does it cross anyone's mind that laws like these that are "broken" in the first place are wrong and should disappear

Laws that dictate my personal conduct, when it doesn't cause anybody else harm, go against my personal liberty.

If I walk down the street and sip from a bottle I hurt no one yet could be arrested for it.

the system is flawed from the start you can't fix it at the end of the cycle, you need to eliminate the stupid liberty invasive laws, then the problem will be solved.
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May 19 2015 01:57pm
Quote (duffman316 @ May 19 2015 01:17pm)
if they're under staffed that's all the more reason for them to not waste time on trivial matters

unless you're considering this a source of funding?


Not the polices place or role to argue against the laws on the books. The police must enforce the law to the best of their ability just or not just. When interviewing to be a police officer, a question often asked is would you follow an order even if you thought it was not just to carry such an order out. If you say no, they'll tell you your morals may be on solid footing but you aren't right for the job.
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May 19 2015 02:15pm
If you seriously think policemen enforce every law on the books every time they see one broken you're sadly mistaken. Cops use judgement calls everyday that's part of what makes a good cop is knowing when a violation is worth a arrest or ticket and when it's not.
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