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May 18 2015 02:22pm
Quote (j0ltk0la @ May 18 2015 08:01pm)
Yes, something as simple as race is enough to get a Dem vote.


So the Republicans should put a black guy forward right. If race is enough.
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May 18 2015 02:24pm
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So the Republicans should put a black guy forward right. If race is enough.


Considering the mind of a liberal, putting a black guy forward is simply strategy.
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May 18 2015 03:22pm
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Best argument against affirmative action I've ever seen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw

------>best evidence ever that affirmative action is still sadly needed<-----
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw

------>best evidence ever that affirmative action is still sadly needed<-----


Affirmative action is solid evidence that Democrats infantalize people they feel are under them.
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May 18 2015 03:38pm
Quote (AspenSniper @ May 18 2015 02:13pm)
To preface, I vote every 2 years and I care a lot more about local elections than general elections. I vote about 70% republican, 30% democrat, give or take. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. However, I think you need to spend money to make money often times. 99% of the reasoning behind my voting is money. I like to think I'm very unbiased.

1. With the exception of a couple potential candidates, Republicans are anti-marijuana legalization. I think this will be the #1 social issue in 2016 and I think Democrats will win that fight. Obama 2008 brought black and young voters out in record numbers. I see a similar event in 2016 if marijuana law gets to be a hotter topic than it is now.

2. Latino voters. Obama and the democratic party has been pushing Immigration law heavily. The funny thing that no one seems to notice, Obama was EXTREMELY strict and deported more illegals than most Republicans. That changed recently of course, but it seems that it's all just a "be on the right side of history" and a set-up for 2016 Latino voters to vote Democrat.

3. Women. Not like this hasn't been done before, but Obama and the dem party have been backing "Lean-In" agendas led by people like Sheryl Sandberg, Meg Whitman, etc.

4. Republicans are still failing to modernize themselves. In the 80s in the Lee Atwater days, College Republicans led a massive right-wing movement. There is sooo little of that these days. They need to reinvent themselves a bit. Plus, they are viewed as the "religious" party. Many fewer people identify themselves as religious and don't wish to be associated with a very Christian party.

5. Moderates. There are about 20% of voters who are like myself, fully willing to vote Republican or Democrat depending on our feelings of the individual candidate, or what the climate is like and whether we feel a more liberal or conservative approach would be beneficial for the current state. Democrats are much more willing to adapt and be bi-partisan, which is appealing to moderates. Republicans have taken a hard-line approach to "no new taxes no matter what" ideology of the tea party. That has left moderates with a sour taste in their mouth. Romney won the 2012 primary on the line that he wasn't a Tea party guy and that he was cool with being bi-partisan. He shot himself in the foot with his "my job isn't to worry about those people" in that 47% comment he made, which ruined moderate voters' view of him as a moderate himself.

I think the only chance the Republican party has to win is Rand Paul or Chris Christie. Republicans come out to vote no matter what. A hard-liner makes no sense. A pseudo-republican like Rand Paul makes a lot of sense. Chris Christie makes sense because moderates find his assertive approach appealing, especially the young-moderate population. He's a very likable character and many peoples find that attractive.



I see what you did there!
Very clever
:lol:

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I see what you did there!
Very clever
:lol:


I see what you did there, shifting blame away from the Jews....

:rofl:

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May 18 2015 04:11pm
You definitely make some interesting points and that's a real rare thing to see here, but unfortunately I've got to disagree on some of these.

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1. Marijuana legalization.


This just isn't an issue with the requisite pull to be a defining social issue that moves votes. Proponents wisely stuck to a coordinated state effort where they notch victories here and there rather than sinking themselves into a national argument they can't yet win. It doesn't have the gravity to be a wedge issue and Hillary Clinton will have no interest in using this as an issue to set up a contrast. Depending on who the billionaires buy in the GOP primary, if there's a big social issue at all it's still likely to be abortion or marriage thanks to the GOP becoming more extreme on abortion and SCOTUS for teeing up a constitutionally-protected right to marry that the Republican hopeful(s) will push back on viciously.

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2. Latino voters.


This one is a gimme but it goes so much farther than simply immigration reform. The Dems derive just as much electoral benefit from their stances on healthcare and tax policies. The GOP will probably succumb to their tokenism urges and fit Rubio somewhere on the ticket but it's not really going to matter because both the short-term/long-term trends in population growth and demographic change are cutting against them hard in the important swing states.

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3. Women.


This is a gimme too, and not just on policy. Clinton has unique strength among white, working-class women. All else being equal she'd improve the baseline of Obama '12 among non-college educated, non-liberal, non-sourthern whites on top of her unique appeal to every white sub-demographic. The GOP obviously doesn't look very interested in fixing the damage they've caused to themselves in the eyes of women voters, either.

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4. Republicans are still failing to modernize themselves.
5. Moderates.


Totally agree. The right-wing echo chamber will carry the water for the GOP and will attack Clinton at every turn but the playbook of screaming "socialist libruhl!!!1111oneone" will not be as effective against Clinton as it was against Obama or Kerry. If the GOP nominee hails from the Senate then Clinton's DW-Nominate score will easily be closer to both the true center and the composite center of the Senate than her opponent. Agree that moderates are a key voting bloc and that they'll back the Democrats (they always do), but disagree on how many there are and what they're looking for. They'll be drawn to Clinton and they already strongly dislike the direction that the Republican party has been going in.

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I think the only chance the Republican party has to win is Rand Paul or Chris Christie.


You lost me here. Nominating either Paul or Christie would get the GOP shellacked and Clinton would likely win 300-340 EVs in anything other than a decidedly Republican-friendly year, in which case it doesn't much matter who the GOP nominated as long as it isn't a bombthrower. Christie is the most-unpopular candidate considering a bid in the GOP, and Paul comes with too many negatives himself.

This post was edited by Pollster on May 18 2015 04:13pm
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