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Apr 16 2015 02:24pm
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Well it wouldn't be free will if it was dictated to be perfect. Somebody brought up Leibniz earlier and he spent lots of time on this question. In his eyes this world is as perfect as can be possible with the element of freedom involved.

But we're arguing the nuances of mythology here....intelligent people think more in abstractions than in concrete terms...and if you were the unfortunate angel tasked with describing creation to poor desert people you are probably going to go with metaphor as a vehicle to do so.

Go to the times...how could it be any easier to understand the first living amoeba splitting into two than to explain that woman came from a piece of man....yes it is oversimplified, but by necessity. It is necessary because the actual words that would be necessary to describe the events of creation were simply not within their language and therefore not in their symbolic world (a bit of psychoanalysis going on here).

It is very likely that we are facing the same problem today...we have no words to explain phenomena, only to describe it. When it comes to explaining any phenomena, scientists either point to a line on a piece of paper that the tool they created made, or they wax poetically about imaginary universes and systems undetectable, like all humans have always done.

Modern deification of science is hardly different than traditional religion.


Maybe if the only science you read is what is designed to appeal to the scientifically illiterate masses. Once you are actually somewhat versed in the science the fanciful metaphors go away for the most part and it's all described by math equations.
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Apr 17 2015 12:40am
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 16 2015 12:04pm)
Well it wouldn't be free will if it was dictated to be perfect. Somebody brought up Leibniz earlier and he spent lots of time on this question. In his eyes this world is as perfect as can be possible with the element of freedom involved.

But we're arguing the nuances of mythology here....intelligent people think more in abstractions than in concrete terms...and if you were the unfortunate angel tasked with describing creation to poor desert people you are probably going to go with metaphor as a vehicle to do so.

Go to the times...how could it be any easier to understand the first living amoeba splitting into two than to explain that woman came from a piece of man....yes it is oversimplified, but by necessity. It is necessary because the actual words that would be necessary to describe the events of creation were simply not within their language and therefore not in their symbolic world (a bit of psychoanalysis going on here).

It is very likely that we are facing the same problem today...we have no words to explain phenomena, only to describe it. When it comes to explaining any phenomena, scientists either point to a line on a piece of paper that the tool they created made, or they wax poetically about imaginary universes and systems undetectable, like all humans have always done.

Modern deification of science is hardly different than traditional religion.


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