The United States does not have a centralized public school system nor is the 'public' nature of the schools the problem. American schools are stratified based on wealth (which often divide under racial lines) and poorly performing schools have their budget cut while higher performing schools have their budgets increased. Underfunded schools and poorly performing students are causally related. Well funded schools and high performing students are causally related.

Public schools are dominant in the rest of the developed world. Exceptions, such as UK, are often criticized for their social stratification in education similar to the US. Even so, the UK education system is much better than the American one. The US education system will be the doom of the nation. Private education, at the primary, secondary and tertiary levels is a detriment to society.

You managed to post a long string of false statements and followed it up with a highly disagreeable opinion.
Garbage in, garbage conclusion out.

Money is often poured into subpar schools and spent inefficiently. Per capita spending on education is actually higher for minorities. And what do they get? Lousy city school systems with very little school choice.
To pretend underfunding is the issue is a great disservice. Competition is what breeds innovation and improvement, not throwing more money at government or feel-good rhetoric.

Public schools are already incredibly expensive. Something like twice as much per student as the current private schools.

It's not a string of false statement, it's contradictor to your bastard ideology that is little more than ideological barbarism.

The fact of the matter is poor neighbourhoods have poorly funded schools, which leads to poorly performing students. Ever been to one of these "poor" schools? Everything screams that the state doesn't give a shit about them or the people who work and attend them. It's irrelevant that minorities have more tax dollars spent on them, the schools that have poor children attend them (which are usually on racially based lines, but not always) are poor. Individual schools don't receive money and decisions on how to allocate funds. No, we know that schools in richer neighbourhoods receive more money and more support. Most of you argument is attacking the US public education system as the problem, when it's not the public system, it's the way it's operated. The rest of the developed world runs well funded, strongly performing public schools. The US has an incredibly inefficient system where some public schools in high income areas operate essentially a private schools. This is not to even mention the teaching problem. Teachers in the US are vey poorly paid, in a market where competition is not needed, but rather incentive for intelligent and motivated people to join the career path. The same logic applies to why American police officers often do such a poor job. Pay more money, attract better people.

Private schools help sustain this backwards and problematic system.

qft

You are in denial. I posted facts that directly contradicted your false claims.
You responded with some appeal to emotion nonsense, overt insults and some more opinions about how you think underfunding is the problem.

Competition isn't needed in education? Because you said so and you feel good about it? No.

Yep just throw even more money at teachers and police officers and failing school districts. Really revolutionary stuff you got there.
Pay no attention to those men behind the curtain that are all lined up to be teachers and police officers due to the great benefits and attractiveness of those professions. Masters degrees are required and people are still struggling to find jobs teaching..
Repeat after me: There is no problem with the government systems! Its an underfunding issue!

Detroit for example spent well above the national average per student on public school education.
Do I really need to tell you how poorly thats been going?
A large segment of their population is functionally illiterate.

Government schools suffer from the same problems as other government run industries throughout history.. A gross misallocation of resources and a lack of competition that stifles quality, efficiency and innovation.
Rather than having to meet the needs of the consumers and provide a better more satisfactory product to stay in business, they live off of tax dollars.
Your solution is to throw more money at the ones that fail the most without addressing functional problems. Skinned loves that idea too but also wants to force more white people to go to worse ones.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 10 2015 09:30pm

I think we should spend 5x what we do now on education.

Thats all? Don't you care about the children? We need to up it to 200x and pay teachers 10million dollars a year.
Only then will we have the best education system in the world.
Doesn't matter how you spend it, just that its spent in the name of education.

That's not what I'm saying at all. We should spend more and spend smart. Eduction is the best investment we can make as a nation.

Your post contained no facts. You make a lot of poorly supported claims, offer no evidence to back it up, and claim it as some universal truth.

Your post, which you claim has facts in it, contains no real statements whatsoever.

When words mean whatever you want them to mean, sure i posted no "real" statements or "facts". Freedom is a feeling. Communism is great for the people. etc


Heres a fun one



Underfunding its underfunding. dont blame public schools.. dont blame government.. dont address fundamental flaws in teh system.. they just need more money. raise taxes and salaries.. make education more expensive...then everyone will be smart. ad nauseam

But dont forget to decry richer white people being able to send their kids to nicer schools.. we wouldn't want them to have "unfair" advantages and a quality education. They must be forced to live with more minorities and sent to the dregs of public schooling.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 11 2015 05:59am