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Mar 6 2015 12:14am
Is this a wise idea of the president? Do you find it an infringement on constitutional rights, or a method of protecting lives?
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Mar 6 2015 12:18am
Quote (Amjohnston81 @ 6 Mar 2015 01:14)
Is this a wise idea of the president? Do you find it an infringement on constitutional rights, or a method of protecting lives?



it isn't any of the things you listed.
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Mar 6 2015 12:18am
Quote (Amjohnston81 @ Mar 5 2015 10:14pm)
Is this a wise idea of the president? Do you find it an infringement on constitutional rights, or a method of protecting lives?


Infringement. There's nothing dangerous about the ammo itself. Mass shootings will just be done using another type of round.
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Mar 6 2015 12:29am
Quote (Cellmat @ Mar 6 2015 12:18am)
it isn't any of the things you listed.


Then what is it?
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Mar 6 2015 02:52am
A Kiss Ass
appeasement to the banners
and I dearly hope, not a loophole that spells for a lot of trouble in the future
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Mar 6 2015 05:25am
Quote (Amjohnston81 @ Mar 6 2015 12:14am)
Is this a wise idea of the president? Do you find it an infringement on constitutional rights, or a method of protecting lives?


Wise? In the context of trying to ban the AR-15, it's a step in that direction. Wise as an attempt to save police lives? No. Pistols that use this round are prohibitively expensive - not the type of gun a criminal is going to carry. What the ammo is, is one of the most common types of ammo used in the most common rifle in America. The reason people can claim it's unconstitutional (using the same language the Supreme Court used to strike down handgun bans in DC vs Heller) is that the ban tries to take away the utility of a common, legally available, 2nd amendment protected firearm. As the right to keep and bear arms is useless without the implied right to put bullets in it, if the BATF passes this ban, it will be challenged in the courts and likely struck down. Also:

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Mar 6 2015 05:36am
if they succeed in banning one type of ammo it's really just giving them an end around the 2nd. amendment and no caliber would in theory be safe.
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Mar 6 2015 05:39am
Of course banning certain ammo or guns is pretty dumb.

I'd rather see gun registration, but that's never going to happen.

Mandatory education on safe gun use and handling seems very wise in a country with so many guns. Sex ed and gun ed, a great pairing.

By the way, is it forbidden for parents to let their children (like, under 12 yo) use their firearms?
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Mar 6 2015 06:01am
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Of course banning certain ammo or guns is pretty dumb.

I'd rather see gun registration, but that's never going to happen.

Mandatory education on safe gun use and handling seems very wise in a country with so many guns. Sex ed and gun ed, a great pairing.

By the way, is it forbidden for parents to let their children (like, under 12 yo) use their firearms?



no we trust parents to be smart enough to make those decisions. I know our state has a hunter safety class that everyone must take before receiving a hunting license. Except for those over age 45 I believe. It's a 12 hour course that covers firearm safety very well.
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Mar 6 2015 09:43am
first off hes only trying to ban armor piercing green tip 223, dont really give a fuck my self because i dont plan on ever owning an AR and if i do i dont need bullets to pierce armor.

thats just me tho, my 9mm carbine and handgun will work fine. plus the human head isnt armor plated.

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