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Quote (Skinned @ 19 Jan 2015 01:47)
It seems like an idea to me.


It is. It is one idea. An ideology is a set of ideas-

i·de·ol·o·gy (ī′dē-ŏl′ə-jē, ĭd′ē-)
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A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.
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Jan 18 2015 08:00pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 18 2015 08:47pm)
It seems like an idea to me.


more like lack of an idea
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Jan 18 2015 08:01pm
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It is. It is one idea. An ideology is a set of ideas-

i·de·ol·o·gy  (ī′dē-ŏl′ə-jē, ĭd′ē-)
n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies
A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.


Ideology is the lens with which we view the world. It is more elemental than political parties and churches.

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Ideology is the lens with which we view the world.  It is more elemental than political parties and churches.


Cool... but atheism is not 'the lens through which we see the world'. You could make that argument for skepticism perhaps, for humanism definitely but not for atheism.
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Jan 18 2015 08:10pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 18 2015 09:01pm)
Ideology is the lens with which we view the world.  It is more elemental than political parties and churches.


You could say atheism is seeing the world without a lens at all!

Unfortunately, the world often looks blurry without a lens.
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Jan 18 2015 08:37pm
Quote (Voyaging @ 19 Jan 2015 02:10)
You could say atheism is seeing the world without a lens at all!

Unfortunately, the world often looks blurry without a lens.


:lol:

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Quote (Scaly @ 19 Jan 2015 01:31)
Yea...

Sure beyond reasonable doubt. I would say think of it like a court case -

Is god guilty of existing?

Guilty - Gnostic Theist
Reasonable doubt - Agnostic Theist/Atheist (depending on what you believe but cannot rationally justify beyond reasonable doubt)
Definitely not Guilty - Gnostic Atheist

People talking about 'truth' in a religious way or a deeply philosophical way seem to mean 'absolute truth' and if we go deep enough it is true that everything is subjective and we cannot 'know' anything but I don't believe that absolute truth is relevant to a rational discussion about our reality.

I guess you could say gnosticism is not 'knowledge' but a claim of knowledge.


I think I'd like to slightly revise this statement due to a mistake that, upon reflection, I believe I've made.

Because agnosticism is the appearance of reasonable doubt and theism is the position that there is a god I don't believe it is possible to be an agnostic theist.

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Quote (Scaly @ Jan 19 2015 12:31am)
I think I'd like to slightly revise this statement due to a mistake that, upon reflection, I believe I've made.

Because agnosticism is the appearance of reasonable doubt and theism is the position that there is a god I don't believe it is possible to be an agnostic theist.




I believe there is a god
But realize I am an ignorant piece of nothing and that my beliefs may be as true as things I say on the internet
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Quote (Tylr @ 19 Jan 2015 04:46)
I am an ignorant piece of nothing


Well you said it not me... Thanks for the sig quote.

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