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Jan 18 2015 12:39am
so this guide applies to no one
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Jan 18 2015 04:09am
Quote (feanur @ 17 Jan 2015 23:46)
Nice attempt. Existing guides are not "outdated" in my opinion, but simply non optimal.

But why do you cut your main damage by half, leaving cold mastery unmaxed and frozen unsynergized ?
Not to mention the extra mana consumption, to compensate a weaker orb.

3~5 into firewall and 1 into fire mastery are enough to face CI when it is absolutely necessary to kill them (doesn't happen every game !).

I could understand if you were to rush also hell act 3, with a tri-element build, however.

Not really important, but if you're going the expensive route (rare items), I believe a rare armor with fhr/life/res is better than Twitchthroe, given the fact that the main damage you receive come from unblockable attacks (ranged elemental, Viper's charge).



Seems fine, but honestly very hard to read ;)


I know that in pvm, cold mastery goes to -100 cold res max. Every skill more is a waste.

also ice bolt level 1: why? Because if you max that, the difference between lvl 1 and 20 is too low for wasting 19 skills.

Twitch is imo the main armor for a rushee. Max block, but also fhr str and dex (res you can easily get on other items). Life you can easily get on helm, ring and amu.

Even with no life from gear you will have 1k life without bo (full vita).

That works for me aswell hehe.

thx tho.

btw. This guide got 2 different skill setups.
I tested them both and both works rly well.

rushed lots of people with this build.

And Lenherr rushed also a lot people woth the bolt/orb build



This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Jan 18 2015 04:18am
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Jan 18 2015 05:03am
So if a monster had say 50% cold resist and you only had -100% from cold mastery you wouldn't want the extra 30% or more? To bring them down to -80% or lower

My comment about the old build stands


Nothing has significantly changed since 1.10 so this guide seems strange but by all means try something " new " if it makes you happy but the old guide was tried and tested by many players long ago and since then needed little to no change


As for the odd cold immune nightmare de seis it's quicker to make a new game and clear cs than to static him and use some weak second element if your sorc isn't bad

I.e going full damage orb. And thats where the extra points in mastery also help


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Jan 18 2015 05:06am
Just to be cleared, I've been using classic rushing sorc for years and I've already tested many builds.
Indeed, yours is working. But it could work better (ie : faster).

Quote (Klaasje123 @ Jan 18 2015 11:09am)
I know that in pvm, cold mastery goes to -100 cold res max. Every skill more is a waste.


Correct as long as enemy have 0 native cold res.

For example, Hell Duriel shows 95% cold res.
If you pierce 100% with mastery, -5% cold res will appply (95% - 100%).
If you pierce 150% with mastery, -55% cold res applies (95% - 150%).
And everything over -195% is wasted (due to the cap at -100% effective res).
Notice that applying -150% instead of -100% results in almost +48% more cold damage.

Quote (Klaasje123 @ Jan 18 2015 11:09am)
also ice bolt level 1: why? Because if you max that, the difference between lvl 1 and 20 is too low for wasting 19 skills.


The difference is a solid +38% cold damage, that you take advantage from all along your rush.

Increasing firewall instead doesn't really help. In many cases, you won't even use it once !
And if you really have to kill a CI monster :
- if it's a moving target, you won't hurt it with firewall anyway;
- if it's a stationnary target, the sequence static/static/firewall/static/static/firewall... kills almost as fast with level 5 firewall than with level 20.
Remember the main effect of firewall is stopping monster's regeneration. This works as well with level 5 than with level 20.

Putting 15 more skills into firewall is the waste. I'd rather increase static, if for some reason I were not allowed to synergize my orb.

Quote (Klaasje123 @ Jan 18 2015 11:09am)
Twitch is imo the main armor for a rushee. Max block, but also fhr str and dex (res you can easily get on other items). Life you can easily get on helm, ring and amu.

Even with no life from gear you will have 1k life without bo (full vita).


Twitchroe offers +20 stats, that is +40 life for a sorc. A rare armor adds up to +98 life (and +80~85 is very common).
And not to mention that, with really good rare items, you meet the str/dext requirement without investing a single stat point (dext on boots, str on belt, amu...).
So in the end Twitchroe adds nothing on this side.

Twitchroe adds +20 fhr, vs +24 for a rare.

Twitchroe offers no res, while common good rare adds +20~30 to 2 res, allowing you more easily to equip a second SoJ (+1 skill and tons of mana).

At level 85, my corrent rush sorc shows 1300 life (without bo, ofc). So the question here :
+15% block (from 60% to 75%) against more life.

Considering that block doesn't work against the main dangers for a rush sorc, and once again from experience, I think +life is more important than +block.
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Jan 18 2015 06:40am
Ty for ur imput Feanur!

But like I said: (about orb dmg), I did much rushes. And I found out that hell arcane and tal rasha can be hard, cuz cold immunes.

With a decent light or fire dmg this would make it a lot easier :)

About block: idk.. in the other rusher guides all use twitch.

And the rare gear js not so expansive these days (if you go for shard), with wand it already is a bit more expansive because you will need fcr on the amulet.

imo you can get a full decent gear (shard) for less then 50 fg.

Rare armor instead of twitch is a posssibility also ofcourse. More life and fhr (the 20 or 24 fhr doesnt rly matter since in bothcases it is easy to get the 60 fhr bp.

more life I agree. But personally I prefer max block then life. Res is easy to get on shield, boots, ring, amulet etc

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Jan 18 2015 06:41am
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Jan 29 2015 03:23pm
Stickied B)

Up ^^
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Jan 29 2015 05:37pm
I've lost all faith in this forum after this.
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Jan 29 2015 11:05pm
Quote (Klaasje123 @ Jan 29 2015 03:23pm)
Stickied B)

Up ^^


Lol

Quote (conrad_noble @ Jan 29 2015 05:37pm)
I've lost all faith in this forum after this.


Stickies means nothing and anyone who uses the guide will be subpar and I'm ok with that

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Jan 30 2015 08:11am
Bruh, these are basics :wacko:
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Jan 30 2015 08:54am
man this is just ridiculous I'll give u a quick guide for dummies such as yourself:

skills:
max tele - you don't even need to max it but I always like 1 mana cost at lvl 24
max orb, mastery and icebolt
1 static
1 frozen armor
rest into firewall

items:
twitch, 2 soj, magefist, +2 amu, prisma shield that allows you reach max block
rest items you can go 70 or TMC

how can I rush?
autotele or use maphack else you're wasting time
TP in a safe spot and tell before hand that if the rushee dies he should not press esc until you say otherwise

too bad you're coming about 14 years too late for a guide of "how to rush" or just like 9 for a 1.10 rush build

This post was edited by Strawberry on Jan 30 2015 09:03am
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