I think he meant to say Communism.

A lot of people did die as a result of communism. You can't judge by raw numbers though, you have to judge according to the amount of people it wiped off the planet in percentage. Communism seems like it killed a lot of people because there were so many people on the planet when it came about. I bet capitalism is right up there with communism, especially if you throw in commodities that consumers were tricked into buying for so long, like cigarettes, and the denial of services because of price restrictions, like health care. Also the American wars in the Philippines, in Korea, and throughout America's high days of imperialism, was all driven by the idea that markets had to expand and grow.

In communism you have Stalin and a few starvation, most notably the Khmer Rogue. The early starvation after the Russian revolution were already happening when the revolution came about and was really the principle reason for the revolution (bread and peace). A lot of folks were killed during the Cultural Revolution in China...but probably not as many as were killed during the Reign of Terror in France at the onset of Democracy, especially if you measure the executions on a per capita basis...

I think the point is, if you look at the history of any given society, is that you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jan 18 2015 05:38pm

Atheism is not an ideology you can adhere to. It has no dogma. It is simply a single position on a single issue. Atheism cannot be blamed for the atrocities in the USSR because atheism was not responsible. The fault lay with an ideology that included atheism as one of it's many stances.

Christianity is an ideology however and the adherants of Judeo-Christian religions have repeatedly, and continue to, interpret their scripture and their faith in ways that motivate atrocities and infringe upon the freedoms of others.



Again - Atheism is not an ideology.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 18 2015 05:44pm

Communism isn't meant to be taken seriously, it was just a tool to get people to overthrow the existing order so those in charge could take advantage of the chaos and could install their own despot.

I'm not sure who I feel sorry for, all those people who died trying to live through their ideals or the suckers who still believe Communism is something obtainable and valid.



This post was edited by j0ltk0la on Jan 18 2015 05:47pm

triangle slave trade fits right in there as well.
and how come Congo free state never gets any attention


eh well, the Khmer Rouge had to be ousted by the commie Vietnamese and they pretty much renounced communism (in their own words)
Stalin's kind of a biggie what with the forced relocations of whole peoples (the Chechen exile is a notable one) and the gulag-system and all.


the dialectic is inevitable.

This post was edited by Gastly on Jan 18 2015 05:54pm

Dialectical Determinism

Not true for atheists though, they live through the same ideals as Christians, they gave the nameless a name and believe that this namless-name cannot have the same problems they believe to be true for Christianity. Atheism's biggest fault, apart from not believing in God, is of course not acknowledging the things they're too scared to let go. Scared of the spooks? No, you embraced them and continued them as an ideal.

Stirner's a spook

A man who didn't believe in half-measures.