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Dec 10 2014 02:10am
http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/torture-report-finds-cia-s-brutal-tactics-didn-t-make-u-s-safer-after-9-11-1.2138970


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All torturing people did was get false information , it didn't prevent any attacks , didn't make anyone safer ... All it did was sink your nation to below the level of the terrorists you wanted to harm.


I said it time and time again ... You won't get any reliable information through these tactics and methods ... And you present a negative viewpoint to your allies .

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Dec 10 2014 02:28am
well, the 9-11 itself is pretty suspicious anyway
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Dec 10 2014 02:29am
also , if you remember back to 2006/2007 - when people first starting talking about this

People were like - How dare you question the Potus - you must be a Communist/Taliban/Traitor

I think theres a difference between questioning and criticizing.

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Dec 10 2014 03:36am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 10 2014 10:28am)
well, the 9-11 itself is pretty suspicious anyway



how so?
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Dec 10 2014 06:23am
Quote (ProJak @ 10 Dec 2014 04:36)
how so?



oh no don't open that box please...


We as a nation should be ashamed that gitmo ever existed, that is the way that terrorists operate, not great nations

A great nation shouldn't lower it's standards of acceptance of the level of brutality that it will stoop too on account of who it's enemies are.

This just is beyond words, and our countrymen did and our top leaders condoned or even ordered it this fact makes me sick.
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Dec 10 2014 06:28am
...the intelligence we hoped to acquire was well worth roughing up a small number of detainees in order to secure our safety . Releasing this report only invites more attacks and most unfortunately is politically driven .
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Dec 10 2014 06:53am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 10 Dec 2014 07:28)
...the intelligence we hoped to acquire was well worth roughing up a small number of detainees in order to secure our safety . Releasing this report only invites more attacks and most unfortunately is politically driven .


can you honestly say the torture listed below is considered "roughing up" ? And you consider yourself a christian...these are acts that no man of god would condone, and all for naught.
the report clearly says that they didn't receive any good intel out of the torture.

Under any common meaning of the term, CIA detainees were tortured," she declared, commanding the Senate floor for an extended accounting of the techniques identified in the investigation.

The report catalogued the use of ice baths, death threats, shackling in the cold and much more. Three detainees faced the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding. Many developed psychological problems.

But the "enhanced interrogation techniques" didn't produce the results that really mattered, the report asserts in its most controversial conclusion. It cites CIA cables, emails and interview transcripts to rebut the central justification for torture -- that it thwarted terror plots and saved American lives.


Earlier this year, Feinstein accused the CIA of infiltrating Senate computer systems in a dispute over documents as relations between the investigators and the spy agency deteriorated, the issue still sensitive years after Obama ordered a halt to any such interrogation practices upon taking office.

After al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan in 2002, the CIA received permission to use waterboarding, sleep deprivation, close confinement and other techniques. Agency officials added unauthorized methods, the report says.

At least five men in CIA detention received "rectal rehydration," a form of feeding through the rectum. The report found no medical necessity for the treatment.

At least three in captivity were told their families would suffer, with CIA officers threatening to harm their children, sexually abuse the mother of one man, and cut the throat of another man's mother.


Redha al-Najar, a former Osama bin Laden bodyguard, was the first prisoner there. CIA interrogators found that after a month of sleep deprivation, he was a "broken man." But the treatment got worse, with officials lowering food rations, shackling him in the cold and giving him a diaper instead of toilet access.

Gul Rahman, a suspected extremist, received enhanced interrogation there in late 2002, shackled to a wall in his cell and forced to rest on a bare concrete floor in only a sweatshirt. The next day he was dead. A CIA review and autopsy found he died of hypothermia.

halid Sheikh Mohammed, the Sept. 11 mastermind, received the waterboarding treatment 183 times. At one point, he was waterboarded for not confirming a "nuclear suitcase" plot the CIA later deemed a scam. Another time, his waterboarding produced a fabricated confession about recruiting black Muslims in Montana.

After reviewing 6 million agency documents, investigators said they could find no example of unique, life-saving intelligence gleaned from coercive techniques. The report claims to debunk the CIA's assertion its practices led to bin Laden's killing.
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Dec 10 2014 07:02am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Dec 10 2014 07:53am)
can you honestly say the torture listed below is considered "roughing up" ?


...yes , especially compared to what was at stake .

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Dec 10 2014 07:20am
CIA brass and other officials there seem to think these enhanced techniques are necessary, so I'll trust their opinions over a politically driven report from liberal scum.

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Dec 10 2014 07:34am
who cares about terrorists being tortured?
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