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#11
Dec 9 2014 11:16am
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 9 2014 10:56am)
Israel needs to choose two and abandon the third:  Jewish State, Democracy, Current Borders.

Holding all three are just untenable, no matter how much faith you have in your essentialist/natural law ridden logic.


Democracy and current borders should be abandoned.

Israel will need to expand to accommodate a growing Jewish population, I imagine the useless largely uninhabited lands of Egypt, Iraq, Iran, and others will be annexed for this purpose.

Democracy is a deprecated concept that was once rightly stigmatized for being an unstable mess of populism, shouldn't be too hard to get rid of that and enact a real government not based on tired cowardice and secularism.

The Jewish state cannot be compromised, they're the rightful people to these lands and Israel should be expanded to it's original size to make up for the centuries of oppression.

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Dec 9 2014 11:23am
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Democracy and current borders should be abandoned.

Israel will need to expand to accommodate a growing Jewish population, I imagine the useless largely uninhabited lands of Egypt, Iraq, Iran, and others will be annexed for this purpose.

Democracy is a deprecated concept that was once rightly stigmatized for being an unstable mess of populism, shouldn't be too hard to get rid of that and enact a real government not based on tired cowardice and secularism.

The Jewish state cannot be compromised, they're the rightful people to these lands and Israel should be expanded by to it's original size to make up for the centuries of oppression.


Except Democracy won't go away because individuals still have a sense of self-determination, self-preservation, and self-interest. Democracy serves those values best.
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Dec 9 2014 11:25am
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Except Democracy won't go away because individuals still have a sense of self-determination, self-preservation, and self-interest.  Democracy serves those values best.


Democracy isn't about the individual, if it were then it might be something half decent, it is a mob-ruled system with inherent social flaws.

Fortunately enough, history is available to give us a better picture of more successful long term systems and structures available, plenty of information for the taking if you're up for it.
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#14
Dec 9 2014 11:27am
Quote (killg0re @ Dec 9 2014 10:16am)
Democracy and current borders should be abandoned.

Israel will need to expand to accommodate a growing Jewish population, I imagine the useless largely uninhabited lands of Egypt, Iraq, Iran, and others will be annexed for this purpose.

Democracy is a deprecated concept that was once rightly stigmatized for being an unstable mess of populism, shouldn't be too hard to get rid of that and enact a real government not based on tired cowardice and secularism.

The Jewish state cannot be compromised, they're the rightful people to these lands and Israel should be expanded by to it's original size to make up for the centuries of oppression.


Realistically the only countries i see losing land to Israel are Syria and maybe Egypt/Jordan/Lebanon and small parts of western Iraq. At the end of this ISIS/Assad mess i would bet the farm that we will see borders redrawn at the least in Syria and Iraq.

If yo u have any view of the big picture its obvious that these conflicts will serve to expand Israels borders and at this point Netanyahu is consolidating power so no leftist get in the way.

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Dec 10 2014 05:51am
Right wing is getting stronger its just shows what happened when your enemies and people who suppose to be your friends are pushing you in the corner.
Lets hope for our and your sake everything will stay balanced.


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#16
Dec 10 2014 06:09am
Quote (Scaly @ Dec 9 2014 06:52pm)
According to the right-wing media...


90% of the media in Israel is a left wing .
Just if you wonder.
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I bet it is, according to the media in Israel.  I'm sure you hear a lot of things in your bubble.  Next they'll tell you the Palestinian people never existed, and you'll believe them  :lol:


Every human believe in something and once he do , he fall under what we call "media" .
Like I said above , 90% of the media in Israel are left wing .
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#17
Dec 10 2014 08:44pm
look like theres a new "Livni+Herzog alliance", while right wings religious and not parties are overbidding eachothers in how they would steal more territories.

Quote (Yakir @ 10 Dec 2014 13:09)
90% of the media in Israel is a left wing

some things are weird in your country...
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#18
Dec 10 2014 09:14pm
Netanyahu is never going to the Hague. As long as you don't lose a war, you ain't going to the ICC. If Serbia won the Yugoslav wars, Milosevic might still be in power. Assad likely won't either (if he loses power, he'll almost surely live out the rest of his life in comfortable existence in Lebanon, Iran, Russia, or the UK), so why would Netanyahu.
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#19
Dec 10 2014 11:25pm
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Netanyahu is never going to the Hague. As long as you don't lose a war, you ain't going to the ICC. If Serbia won the Yugoslav wars, Milosevic might still be in power. Assad likely won't either (if he loses power, he'll almost surely live out the rest of his life in comfortable existence in Lebanon, Iran, Russia, or the UK), so why would Netanyahu.


Skinned likes to masturbate to Jews dying. He's just pissed that he's circumcised to be perfectly honest.
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Dec 11 2014 12:54am
Quote (Caedus @ 11 Dec 2014 03:14)
Netanyahu is never going to the Hague. As long as you don't lose a war, you ain't going to the ICC. If Serbia won the Yugoslav wars, Milosevic might still be in power. Assad likely won't either (if he loses power, he'll almost surely live out the rest of his life in comfortable existence in Lebanon, Iran, Russia, or the UK), so why would Netanyahu.


Lol at Assad living in the UK. Wouldn't happen.

We didn't even let the WBC in.
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