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"Keep your thoughts positive because your thoughts become your words. Keep your words positive because your words become your behaviour. Keep your behavior positive because your behavior becomes your habits. Keep your habits positive because your habits become your values. Keep your values positive because your values become your destiny."
We should fear god (matthew 10:28)
We should love god (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)
Jacob said, 'i have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.' (genesis 32:30)
No man hath seen God at any time (John 1:18)
"for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever" (Jeremiah 3:12)
"ye have killed a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)
Flat world:
Daniel 4:11 "the tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH" (how could one tree be seen by all the Earth it they knew the earth was round?)
Matthew 4:8 "again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" (same idea here)
Vs round world!
Isaiah 40:21-22 do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood since the earth was founded? 22 He sits enthroned above the Circe of Te earth, and it's people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Earth abides forever:
Ecclesiastes 1:4 Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.
Within the belief systems of Christianity, many controls are set up to discourage you from leaving. Rewards and threats are employed liberally. Stick with it and you'll gain eternal life. Abandon it and you're doomed to hell. Once enough people are integrated into such a system, the social conditioning becomes self reinforcing. Members help to keep each other in line.
Recognize that you're dealing with a control structure. When you see enforcement based on the promise of rewards an punishments, you're not witnessing real truth. You're witnessing marketing masquerading as truth.
Did you know that there are actually more versions of The new testament than there are words in it. Some experts say there are more than 200,000 versions now. Some say 400,000. Many of those versions have radically different meanings, and again, none of them can be said to contain the original "inspired words of god". What we have are error-filled copies of copies of copies of copies that have been passed down inaccurately for centuries.
So if you say you believe in the bible, you'd better specify exactly which version you claim to believe in. And you must also face the fact that what you claim to believe is by what god actually inspired people to write. You're actually putting your faith in some scribes interpretation.
Who created god?
Assuming god exists, nothing, he was the first cause.
Assuming he doesn't, nothing, he doesn't exist.
The cosmological argument is quite misunderstood. The argument, basically, says that the universe must have had a cause because it is a physical manifestation, it is contingent. IF the universe began to exist (this is the tough point), then it must have been caused by a non-contingent being. In other words, god.
But why not go another step down the chain of causality.. What if gods god created everything? This is redundant thanks to occams razor. the universe itself could be outside of the realm of causality, while causality reigns within it. God is an unnecessary link in the causative chain.
Existence exists because existence's purpose is to exist.
Epicurus-
"is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able not willing? Then why call him god?
*argument* ^^
>The malevolent line-
"this isn't an objective fact, it's strictly an assumption, an what makes the whole argument fall apart"
*response*
"the ability to prevent harm of evil implies a moral obligation to do so. Especially since such omnipotence would mean there is no risk or cost associated with acting. By choosing to remain passive in the face of brutality one demonstrates a preference for it".
*argumentors response*
"not when intervening would change the entire concept of life as we know it. God gave us the freedom to do good or do evil, and thinks its worth the cost to have some pain in the grand scheme of the implications of having that choice. After all, pain is intrinsically evil, and the purpose of life isn't necessarily to avoid pain."
*Response*
- "wars, plagues, rapes, and murders are not mere instances of pain. Some mundane error is neither evil not would it render gods abstention malevolent. However a god that allows people to drop atomic bombs, rape and murder, mutilate women and torture people is indeed being malevolent. "
*another arguer*
"the ability to prevent harm or evil implies a moral obligation to do so.. According to whom?"
*response*
"by virtue of being benevolent"
*arguer again*
"benevolent to whom, the individual or the greater good of the masses?"
*response*
"is rape good for the masses? What about war..? There is no coherent argument to make that it does anyone any good. There is an old historical theory that war is a good thing since basically all technological innovation may be linked to it in one way or another, ok fine, now let's imagine if we did research without killing each other in the process.
If god was perfect, wouldn't it be more perfect to prevent harm rather than to encourage or aid it".
*separate response to epicurus*
" is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent"
-God doesn't prevent anything.
-God is not for the good nor for the bad.
-god is for the abundance of whatever you desire.
"is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent."
-god is able to do everything that you desire.
-god is neutral.
"is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?"
-god is neutral, he is only for the abundance.
This post was edited by FrozenWater on Nov 6 2014 03:29am