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Oct 20 2014 05:45am
Quote (Duckling @ 19 Oct 2014 23:55)
I seemingly can never understand why people want to suppress anything that is right? We always oppress anything that "kills" profit? Do we not understand what profit is? I just have a hard time believing that with the way things are we are not a better species? Why is it that people are so greedy and instead not intuitive?

I may have watched a lot of power rangers as a child, and that at the end of the season the evil always seems close to victory, but somehow good prevails. I only HOPE that this is what happens in reality. I just do not understand why people choose to be 'EVIL'.

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On a different type of forum than d2jsp I wrote an essay once, what triggered it was.

Looking over my son's shoulder I noticed that he was watching the beginning of 2001 A Space Odyssey you know the part, when early man (cave men) first learn to pick up a weapon, a bone, to hit an enemy with. Then the bone goes flying up into the air, and keeps flying up into space and becomes the spaceship, well if you don't know the scene you do now. What struck me is the technology that has developed where I could watch that scene on a device no bigger than a cellphone. It's astounding what man has achieved in science and medicine even from just the time 2001 Space Oddysey was made to the present but if you look further back in history to when we first arrived. And I'll even count creationism time for those believers.

Think of the growth we've had in both science and medicine, in physics space, math, etc....Then think of the first response when we get angry I mean really angry, we respond in violence. somebody pushes you, what do you do? push back right? because not pushing back is what? a sign of.......weakness. That's the gut check answer am I right? At the same time we know that answering in violence just results in more violence, and finding out why you were pushed in the first place may have diffused the entire event.

What I'm trying to say is that to answer your question, we have developed in so many areas, and in a relatively short amount of time, and if you look at it in perspective our innovative growth is snowballing, yet our social skills in handling anger, prejudice, and equality are still back near the using our thumbs to grip stage. Societies that can make plastic and glass boxes the size of your palm that can play movies, should be able to solve conflicts without killing each other, should be able to grant all of their citizens equal rights without a second thought, and shouldn't have a single citizen homeless and hungry.
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... the greatest evil that mankind commits is shunning God ; all other evils flow from that greatest one .
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Oct 20 2014 06:09pm
Quote (Tylr @ 20 Oct 2014 08:29)
"Man only desires evil through ignorance"


Nah. I don't buy that.

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... the greatest evil that mankind commits is shunning God ; all other evils flow from that greatest one .


Oh you.
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Oct 20 2014 06:12pm
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Oh you.


...no oh you...I believe it as an underlying element of mankind's predicament .
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Oct 20 2014 06:23pm
Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Oct 20 2014 08:09pm)
Nah. I don't buy that.





Countering examples or thoughts?
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Oct 20 2014 08:52pm
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Countering examples or thoughts?


"No man chooses evil, because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness, the good he seeks", Mary Wollstonecraft.

Solid argument against hedonism there :lol:

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Oct 20 2014 06:47am)
... the greatest evil that mankind commits is shunning God ; all other evils flow from that greatest one .


As a postmodernist I somewhat agree with you. The apparent death of God has been very traumatic on the human psyche. It is something I get preoccupied with time to time.

I'm not sure a lot of people will really understand your statement though.
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Oct 20 2014 09:10pm
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"No man chooses evil, because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness, the good he seeks", Mary Wollstonecraft.

Solid argument against hedonism there  :lol:


Not really. An argument against people being bad at promoting hedonism correctly. :P
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Not really. An argument against people being bad at promoting hedonism correctly. :P


How is seeking happiness not promoting hedonism correctly?
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How is seeking happiness not promoting hedonism correctly?


If the end result isn't a net increase in happiness/decrease in unhappiness (i.e. if it causes evil) then it wasn't proper hedonism to begin with.

An argument against egoistic hedonism, sure.
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Oct 20 2014 09:15pm
It's kind of like the arguments against utilitarianism claiming that all sorts of various utilitarian prescriptions would results in terrible consequences. If they result in terrible consequences then I guess they weren't utilitarian prescriptions at all! :lol:
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