I'm not going any route, I'm stating a fact that being on his desk doesn't mean being obstructed by him... and you can make up euphamisms to defend the republicans and confirm what I've been saying (fake libertarian, jump through hoops to defend Republicans) all you want, or you can read the statement.

At any rate it was rated half true for the sake of placing blame on both parties for obstructionism, else it would have just been rated false. I have a feeling it should be close to 80% false to reflect who's actually doing the obstruction as half-true is just more false equivilance bullshit.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 20 2014 12:05pm

Really? Read that statement a few times and realize how ridiculous it is. The bills were passed unanimously by democrats and republicans! Why would they need to be changed, and why would they take so long to do it?

Yet the "relatively minor" legislation still is not being passed? Probably because the illusion of a "do-nothing" congress hurts the republicans, not the democrats.

It is going to be great filibustering and blocking everything if the GOP ever wins the White House back. Maybe even shut down the government and blame the other guy



Illusion? The GOP in the Congress hasn't shown up for work since early 2008.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 20 2014 05:09pm

Democrats would never shut down the government, that directly contradicts their ideology.

The Republicans are welfare queens too.

Well sure, but the only thing that matters is the rhetoric. Politics 101.

Touche'.

Don't know? But I thought you were such a INFORMED individual. But still, you did touch on it with your false equivalency bullshit in the bold. It's false because in the four instances you noted, a nuclear option was only threatened, not acted upon, like Dingy Harry did. Since he followed through, it's only common sense that retaliation via one of the few avenues left - denial of unanimous consent - is in order.



The argument incessantly being put forth by Team Donkey is that the US House fails to address all these "good, common sense bills" sent over by the Senate where they refuse to act on them, making them the "do-nothing Congress" when the exact same thing is going on the other way too. 7 times more bills are languishing in the Senate than in the House. Yes, there's perfectly good reasons as to why that is, like how bills get out of each chamber, and also considerations noted in the Politifact link how many aren't even intended on being acted upon. But for the ones that are, both houses are sending bills over to the other house where they get no consideration. But only Republicans are obstructionists - especially if you asked the Hack™^^^.



Still looking for proof. Roll call votes, etc.

This post was edited by Santara on Oct 20 2014 05:50pm

You've said this 3 times in different places. Please show roll call evidence.

I find it hard to believe.




Skinned... you are delusional. I agree with you when you imply democrats are welfare queens; however, conservative Republicans believe in decreasing the size of government overall, and funding strategic programs, i.e. Nasa. Not welfare.

Skinned said REPUBLICANS and you're putting words in his mouth by only talking about "conservative" republicans, which you just happen to conveniently define as the ones that aren't what Skinned is talking about......



Possibly because the senate democrats would prefer a different version than what the house democrats want..... and I'm reserving judgement on that one until I see some actual information since that's another statement which would be ripe for misrepresentation.

[QUOTE=Santara,Oct 20 2014 05:48pm]The argument incessantly being put forth by Team Donkey is that the US House fails to address all these "good, common sense bills" sent over by the Senate where they refuse to act on them, making them the "do-nothing Congress" when the exact same thing is going on the other way too. 7 times more bills are languishing in the Senate than in the House. Yes, there's perfectly good reasons as to why that is, like how bills get out of each chamber, and also considerations noted in the Politifact link how many aren't even intended on being acted upon. But for the ones that are, both houses are sending bills over to the other house where they get no consideration. But only Republicans are obstructionists - especially if you asked the Hack™^^^.QUOTE]

I'm fine assigning some blame to democrats, but to say it's a 50/50 split is absolutely, stupidly, untrue. The Democrats actually made deals with Republicans to seat judicial candidates during Republican majority, they never held up the surgeon general, and there are several examples of appointees which passed on the first vote once the fillabuster was lifted. They're actually obstructing nominations that they later voted in favor of confirming. We actually have Boehner ON FUCKING TAPE saying their game plan is to obstruct anything the Democrats put through at meetings with donors like the Koch brothers.