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Oct 18 2014 03:14pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29677779


Pope Francis has suffered a setback as proposals for wider acceptance of gay people failed to win a two-thirds majority at a Catholic Church synod.

A draft report issued halfway through the meeting had called for greater openness towards homosexuals and divorced Catholics who have remarried.

But those paragraphs were not approved, and were stripped from the final text.

The report will inform further debate before the synod reconvenes in larger numbers in a year's time.

Correspondents say the text welcoming gay people and remarried Catholics had been watered down in the final version that was voted on - but it appears that they still met with resistance from conservatives.

All other parts of the draft report were accepted by the synod.
'Let God surprise'

Speaking after the vote, Pope Francis told attendees that he would have been "worried and saddened" if there had not been "animated discussions" or if "everyone had been in agreement or silent in a false and acquiescent peace", AP news agency reported.

He also cautioned against "hostile inflexibility, that is, wanting to close oneself within the written word, and not allowing oneself to be surprised by God".
Pope Francis talks to prelates as he arrives at the morning session of a two-week synod on family issues at the Vatican, 18 October 2014 Pope Francis's closing speech at the synod received a four-minute standing ovation

While the earlier draft had said that homosexuals had "gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community", the revised document only said that discrimination against gay people "is to be avoided".

The Pope said the full draft document, including the rejected paragraphs, should be published.

"Keep in mind this is not a magisterial document….the Pope asked for it to be made available to show the degree of maturity that has taken place and that which still needs to take place in discussions over the coming year," Holy See press officer Tom Rosica said on Vatican Radio.

The two-week synod has revealed a fracture line in church opinion over how to adapt traditional church teaching on human sexuality towards 21st-Century attitudes, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.

Pope Francis had made a powerful appeal to traditionalists not to lock themselves within the letter of the law, but conservative cardinals and bishops carried the day at the end of the synod, our correspondent adds.
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Oct 18 2014 03:17pm
...I said this Pope was going to be dangerous and I have been proven correct .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Oct 18 2014 04:17pm)
...I said this Pope was going to be dangerous and I have been proven correct .


Yes, how dare the world be moved to be accepting of a global demographic, especially in this democratic day and age

:wacko:

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Oct 18 2014 03:22pm
What is his gay policy? It's not like the Catholic church lynches gays or anything....

This concept of "greater openness" is very ambiguous.
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Oct 18 2014 03:23pm
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Yes, how dare the world be moved to be accepting of a global demographic, especially in this democratic day and age

:wacko:


...in these matters churches are called to apart from the world and your using the words " global demographic " is absurd , what is that even suppose to mean ? I won't even bother addressing the inanity of " this democratic day and age " .
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Oct 18 2014 03:23pm
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What is his gay policy? It's not like the Catholic church lynches gays or anything....

This concept of "greater openness" is very ambiguous.


I agree. Part of the debate is whether gays can receive the Eucharist, apparently.

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I agree.  Part of the debate is whether gays can receive the Eucharist, apparently.


I'm of the opinion that engaging in homosexual acts is two sins (adultery and sodomy). Whether or not that's a mortal sin...I haven't a clue.
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Oct 18 2014 03:26pm
The catholic church, in my eyes, is out of touch even by the standards of other christian organisations. The resistance to progressive thinking that the current pope is facing is further proof of that.

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I'm of the opinion that engaging in homosexual acts is two sins (adultery and sodomy). Whether or not that's a mortal sin...I haven't a clue.


How can it be adultery unless they are married and cheating on their partner?

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Oct 18 2014 03:27pm
I've felt very distant from the Catholic church since my true faith was found. It just doesn't hold water that the church Jesus was talking about was only the Catholic church.
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I'm of the opinion that engaging in homosexual acts is two sins (adultery and sodomy). Whether or not that's a mortal sin...I haven't a clue.


I don't believe in mortal sin. Actually, I find it to be one of the silliest parts of Catholic beliefs. The church I grew up with actually believed that missing Sunday mass for a bad reason would make you worthy of eternal suffering.

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