You obviously don't know the definition of objectivity, it doesn't matter what I believe. It's WRONG or RIGHT regardless of our opinion.

and you know this how?

It's the definition of objectivity.. LOL

i'm asking how you know that it is wrong

I've done this song and dance before. He obviously cannot comprehend that it is impossible for him to know what is objectively wrong or right as he is incapable of being truly objective.

In fact the argument of WLC's he's taken this from actually hinges on this point... It's something like - we cannot be truly objective - only god can be truly objective - we have objective moral values built into us - therefore god.

You and I ofc can see the flaws in this... but HST... HST just fixates on one part of the argument, namely 'we have objective moral vvalues built into us' bit, and doesn't even understand the rest.

In his mind it's 'WLC says my morals are objective therefore they are and therefore god'.

This post was edited by Scaly on Oct 16 2014 08:33pm

Why does it matter?

The answer is we don't know.

Ofc we don't. Neither does HST. It's trying to get him to admit it so we can move on and stop having this same discussion over 'objective moral values' that he seems to think is some kind of trump card for any argument.

My profession has a code of ethics that is more or less sacrosanct in practice. It can be said to be objective because the action it prescribes is the right thing to do in all instances, regardless of how I personally feel about it.

But that isn't the type of objective morality you guys are talking about You guys are talking about divine command stuff, and it isn't the best system IMO. I mean if the rules aren't worth following on their own, through their own merit, then they aren't worth following to begin with. If they are worth following, through their own merit, then it would be apparent regardless of what a priest-class says.

I'd be better off just continuing to avoid this thread and conversation

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 16 2014 08:41pm

I mostly agree, well said.

Though many things that are right are not readily apparent and many thing that are wrong are not readily apparent. We can't always trust our intuitions.

"Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts
the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

"...God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."