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Oct 13 2014 06:53pm
...the police hate competition. Or so the bumper sticker goes. Civil asset forfeiture laws in the US are designed to deny the proceeds of crime from being used by those that benefited from it, which certainly makes sense. Yet how are those laws actually being used?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/cash-seizures-fuel-police-spending/

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Of the nearly $2.5 billion in spending reported in the forms, 81 percent came from cash and property seizures in which no indictment was filed, according to an analysis by The Post. Owners must prove that their money or property was acquired legally in order to get it back.


Anecdotes abound about home and business owners having their property seized, and the connection to crime is absolutely vacuous, but often goes unchallenged legally because the costs of fighting the state is more expensive than letting the police get away with it.



I say it's time for the practice to go.
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Oct 13 2014 07:02pm
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Oct 13 2014 07:09pm
Had a bad issue in my area some 10-15 years ago of the police dept impounding cars for phony reasons only to have them turn up in family garages. Now instead of police, we have have the tow companies doing it.
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Oct 13 2014 07:09pm
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My bad, I didn't read that thread before now. Well, now we have 2 amendments, 4th & 14th.
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Oct 13 2014 07:49pm
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
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Oct 14 2014 06:19am
Quote (Santara @ 14 Oct 2014 00:53)
...the police hate competition. Or so the bumper sticker goes. Civil asset forfeiture laws in the US are designed to deny the proceeds of crime from being used by those that benefited from it, which certainly makes sense. Yet how are those laws actually being used?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/cash-seizures-fuel-police-spending/



Anecdotes abound about home and business owners having their property seized, and the connection to crime is absolutely vacuous, but often goes unchallenged legally because the costs of fighting the state is more expensive than letting the police get away with it.



I say it's time for the practice to go.


Yea... It should be the other way around. Police should be able to prove the money/property was acquired through 'proceeds of crime' or return it.

This post was edited by Scaly on Oct 14 2014 06:21am
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Oct 14 2014 06:33am
I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't quite apply.
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Oct 14 2014 08:33am
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Yea... It should be the other way around. Police should be able to prove the money/property was acquired through 'proceeds of crime' or return it.


100 percent this ...


But I forgot I'm a conspiracy nut for thinking giving police power without oversight is going to cause issues ...

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Oct 14 2014 08:35am
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100 percent this ...


But I forgot I'm a conspiracy nut for thinking giving police power without oversight is going to cause issues ...


I don't think that's why people think you're a nut.
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Oct 14 2014 08:42am
They seem so gleeful while talking about it, not a hint of guilt or remorse. Like "hey look free money!"

they mention all the good they think they can do with all the goodies, but not the bad they're doing to all the innocents.
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