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Oct 9 2014 09:23pm
Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Oct 9 2014 10:05pm)
Talk to this guy, then.
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Oct 10 2014 02:31am
This is why i dislike socialism as a concept.

People naturally balance work and leisure. This balance is determined by their wage rate.

If you start paying people for leisure, they work/produce less, thereby lowering output potential and wealth.

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I was at Chipotle today and a kid, maybe 10 years old, sees a Lotus drive up, looks at his mom and says "wow mom I want one of those when I turn 16!" his mom replies "you really want to be a person who only cares about money and nice cars?" I wondered why the mom didn't reply "work hard and you can earn that if you want it!"

I just turned 25 and have a nice house in a nice area, a new car and I do alright for myself, nothing super fancy, but i'll pretty easily retire around 40-45 years old. I hope my kids grow up wanting to reach for the stars. I just far too often see my colleagues sitting idle with their college degrees making $30k-40k a year that will probably never make more than $45k a year for 10 years because they don't have the drive to go the extra mile and earn a raise/promotion. Then I see those who do pretty well for themselves and they spend it on a stupid amount of rent and going to bars every night so much that when I ask if they want to go out to lunch they literally can't until they get their next paycheck.

I know I'm a bit old school, but am I the only person who has the goal of frugality and being able to live a bit simpler now so that I can have a wealthy retirement and so my kids can go to college and be more successful than I even hope to be?


Even with a degree finding a job that pay's say 70 k + is still really hard. My father worked as a computer programmer since the early 1980's and when the 2008 crisis hit, he finally lost his job.

With his degree and like close to 30 years experience he couldn't find another job(that at least paid him even close to what he made before)

Making tons of money in life is not really that simple man, or everyone would be rich... which in simple economic terms is impossible.
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Oct 10 2014 07:15pm
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Even with a degree finding a job that pay's say 70 k + is still really hard. My father worked as a computer programmer since the early 1980's and when the 2008 crisis hit, he finally lost his job.

With his degree and like close to 30 years experience he couldn't find another job(that at least paid him even close to what he made before)

Making tons of money in life is not really that simple man, or everyone would be rich... which in simple economic terms is impossible.


i agree that finding a 70k+ entry level job is difficult. but not for a real programming with 5+ years experience.

for the programming field, at his age you're either a contractor or in management. if he intended to stay technical, he needs to keep up with the market. i see a lot of "programmers" who do it solely as a job. when they get home, they don't touch it again. if he's that kind of person, it's very risky if you stick with a company that works on really old technologies.

one of two things happened to him: 1) he's the kind of person listed above, or 2) he's too proud to accept lower pay. the field's been good for a long time. sure, he might not be getting 150k+, but he should easily get 100k+ now if he's kept up with current technologies. he might have to adjust his lifestyle. trade in the car for a civic, move to a cheaper house, etc.

/edit: my dad was also a programmer, and i remember him learning things at least several hours a week at home, always trying to keep up with the latest technology. i'm also a programmer, and i'm learning things right now at home.

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Oct 10 2014 08:07pm
Quote (josh2234 @ Oct 10 2014 03:32am)
Even with a degree finding a job that pay's say 70 k + is still really hard. My father worked as a computer programmer since the early 1980's and when the 2008 crisis hit, he finally lost his job.

With his degree and like close to 30 years experience he couldn't find another job(that at least paid him even close to what he made before)

Making tons of money in life is not really that simple man, or everyone would be rich... which in simple economic terms is impossible.


Weird, all my friends who graduated with bachelors in CSC are getting jobs for 60k+ a year, my wife's brother with 3 years is making 90k programming for OSHA.
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Oct 10 2014 10:49pm
Quote (lodd222 @ Oct 9 2014 12:29am)
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1Timothy6:10


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Oct 10 2014 11:06pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 10 2014 06:07pm)
Weird, all my friends who graduated with bachelors in CSC are getting jobs for 60k+ a year, my wife's brother with 3 years is making 90k programming for OSHA.


A lot of the time, they do age discrimination (though not explicitly). They'll come up with some BS that you're "overqualified."
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