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Sep 23 2014 07:08am
Was hoping for moderate muslim... Ahmed Deedat is a nutter.
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Sep 23 2014 07:09am
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Good to see some people interested.

I doubt any sheiks or Ahmed Deedats would be hanging around jsp but it would still be nice to discuss religious matters with those who are learned.


...not a fan . Deedats was a well known bigot who called for the eradication of both Christianity and Judaism .
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Was hoping for moderate muslim... Ahmed Deedat is a nutter.


Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sep 23 2014 08:09pm)
...not a fan . Deedats was a well known bigot who called for the eradication of both Christianity and Judaism .


Haha i understand what you mean. Many muslims don't like him, nor his apprentice Dr. Zakir Naik, but i must say that their speechea are filled with useful information. At least for me anyways.

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Sep 23 2014 07:17am
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Haha i understand what you mean. Many muslims don't like him, nor his apprentice Dr. Zakir Naik, but i must say that their speechea are filled with useful information. At least for me anyways.


...let me ask you the obvious because it is bound to come up sooner or later . Do you support radical , militant Islam...groups like Al Queda , ISIS , AQAP etc...
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Sep 23 2014 07:18am
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Lol. Straight away the Israeli Jew starts oppressing the poor Muslim.


Thought he meant to create a whole sub forum - clearly in his first posting you can understand he want a sub forum only for Islam .
Nothing against any Muslim or against him fyi - have a problem with terrorists who use their religion as an excuse for hate.




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...not a fan . Deedats was a well known bigot who called for the eradication of both Christianity and Judaism .


I'd be with him too... If he didn't want to replace them with Islam.

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Haha i understand what you mean. Many muslims don't like him, nor his apprentice Dr. Zakir Naik, but i must say that their speechea are filled with useful information. At least for me anyways.


Can i ask... what is your opinion on the Islamic State and the caliphate they are trying to establish? How do you view Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?


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Thought he meant to create a whole sub forum .
Nothing against any Muslim or against him fyi .


He was trying to find others who share his religion in the hopes of maybe having a forum for muslims.

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Sep 23 2014 07:27am
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...let me ask you the obvious because it is bound to come up sooner or later . Do you support radical , militant Islam...groups like Al Queda , ISIS , AQAP etc...


good question.
radical, no. groups like al qaeda, ISIS, AQAP, nope.
i dont believe that any action categorized as terrorism is justified. not only because of my faith but at the human level.

as for militant, it would be unfair to say that Islam is not a militant religion. Islam is not a pacifist religion. no offense to Christians, but offering your other cheek does not make any sense. Islam allows violence and retribution, but never in extremes. terrorists are bringing their retribution to an extreme by killing innocents and non-combatants. we agree that they are cold-blooded assholes, and no one is more angry or disappointed at them than the mainstream Muslim for tarnishing our religion. there were always bad rumors circulating about Islam in the western world, and these radical groups are confirming them.

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Can i ask... what is your opinion on the Islamic State and the caliphate they are trying to establish? How do you view Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?


Wow, i wasn't really prepared for questions like these. but in all fairness, it's understandable that people would wonder.
umm... i don't like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. anybody who murders outside of the limitations allowed by Islam is a bad guy in my book. it's a noble intent to want to bring a pure Islamic state to existence, but his measures in doing so contradict the very teachings he claims to follow.

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He was trying to find others who share his religion in the hopes of maybe having a forum for muslims.


yes, if it's allowed. i'm more interested in learning about the teachings of the Qur'an. to tell the truth, i recently moved to Taiwan and on the first day a Christian missionary tried to get me to convert. i don't have a problem with Christianity or its followers, and i'm always ears for the truth, but arming myself with the knowledge of our holy book and knowing which questions to ask these missionaries would be great. understanding all four holy books (Qur'an, Gospels, Pslams, and Torah) i believe would bring us closer to the truth.

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I'd be with him too... If he didn't want to replace them with Islam.



Can i ask... what is your opinion on the Islamic State and the caliphate they are trying to establish? How do you view Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?




He was trying to find others who share his religion in the hopes of maybe having a forum for muslims.


Sure why not , but I wasn't saying anything bad to him or about the Muslim's .
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Sep 23 2014 07:32am
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Sure why not , but I wasn't saying anything bad to him or about the Muslim's .


no offense given so no offense taken. it's all good.
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Sep 23 2014 07:33am
Quote (andysundala @ Sep 23 2014 09:27am)
good question.
radical, no. groups like al qaeda, ISIS, AQAP, nope.
i dont believe that any action categorized as terrorism is justified. not only because of my faith but at the human level.

as for militant, it would be unfair to say that Islam is not a militant religion. Islam is not a pacifist religion. no offense to Christians, but offering your other cheek does not make any sense. Islam allows violence and retribution, but never in extremes. terrorists are bringing their retribution to an extreme by killing innocents and non-combatants. we agree that they are cold-blooded assholes, and no one is more angry or disappointed at them than the mainstream Muslim for tarnishing our religion. there were always bad rumors circulating about Islam in the western world, and these radical groups are confirming them.



Wow, i wasn't really prepared for questions like these. but in all fairness, it's understandable that people would wonder.
umm... i don't like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. anybody who murders outside of the limitations allowed by Islam is a bad guy in my book. it's a noble intent to want to bring a pure Islamic state to existence, but his measures in doing so contradict the very teachings he claims to follow.


...the questions are part of the discussion format . I am a well known born-again Christian on this forum and questions are common but attacks because of my faith are more than common . I am happy to hear that you condemn terrorism and welcome you to this forum :hail:

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