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Sep 19 2014 06:19am
I think they should. Afaik it's the only not elected legaslative power along with the Chinese Politburo. The English cling far too much to tradition.
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Sep 19 2014 06:21am
answer is yes

everybody knows it and agrees with it within the uk but there are always more pressing matters so the government is happy to do nothing until people demand it
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Sep 19 2014 06:23am
Yes, no such thing as magic blood.

Not my place to say though. Up to the English.

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Sep 19 2014 06:30am
there will always be guys who suck the people's blood. the House of Lords is far less worse than in other countries, where it is elected.
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Sep 19 2014 06:31am
Nope.
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Sep 19 2014 06:43am
The House of Lords, like the Canadian senate provides a key, behind the scenes role to improve the legislative process. They do not act as a counter balance to the House of Commons, rather they amend, review and help bills come to fruition. An elected or abolished House of Lords is not only an afront to tradition, but a destabilizing factor within British parliament.

People, like those in Canada who discuss the similar Senate, don't understand exactly what the House of Lords does. They play a a vital role in the legislative process.
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Sep 19 2014 06:57am
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The House of Lords, like the Canadian senate provides a key, behind the scenes role to improve the legislative process. They do not act as a counter balance to the House of Commons, rather they amend, review and help bills come to fruition. An elected or abolished House of Lords is not only an afront to tradition, but a destabilizing factor within British parliament.

People, like those in Canada who discuss the similar Senate, don't understand exactly what the House of Lords does. They play a a vital role in the legislative process.


They are also unelected and sometimes brought in as a result of the Queen's nepotism. A BBC undercover report showed there was bribery in there to pass legislation for corporations.

We can have elected people that play just as vital a role in the legislative process.
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Sep 19 2014 07:05am
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They are also unelected and sometimes brought in as a result of the Queen's nepotism. A BBC undercover report showed there was bribery in there to pass legislation for corporations.

We can have elected people that play just as vital a role in the legislative process.


why put peasants elected by other peasants ? better have wiser people, even if they are noble
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why put peasants elected by other peasants ? better have wiser people, even if they are noble


oh hey there ceausescu
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Sep 19 2014 08:57am
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The House of Lords, like the Canadian senate provides a key, behind the scenes role to improve the legislative process. They do not act as a counter balance to the House of Commons, rather they amend, review and help bills come to fruition. An elected or abolished House of Lords is not only an afront to tradition, but a destabilizing factor within British parliament.

People, like those in Canada who discuss the similar Senate, don't understand exactly what the House of Lords does. They play a a vital role in the legislative process.


I disagree. Ignoring the tradition side of this (In both Britain and Canada), the House of lords is way too big for an upper chamber. At least the Canadian Senate is appropriately sized for the behind the scenes role that it plays. While I'm sure lots of people would love to see some reform of the House of Lords, I have no idea how you'd go about it. The setup of the UK is far too asymmetrical and I don't think it could move towards a federal-style upper chamber.

The Canadian Senate though, get it elected and put a term on it. There's no reason it cannot still carry out the functions it does as an elected body, behind the scenes or otherwise. An elected senate would be the most beneficial thing for Canada's political system, mostly by keeping the PM in check. During majority governments, the PMO is far too powerful, there's no system of checks and balances. An elected Senate would by the best way to deal with this.
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