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Sep 10 2014 07:15am
Quote (bitg_pj @ Sep 10 2014 12:18am)
I don't really care that privately funded hate/fear mongering groups are squelched...

Freedom of speech was never intended to stretch beyond a person to private interest groups.

that said it is a law that has potential for a lot of bad outcome and a slippery slope


I do care. Standing up for your rights/interests doesn't mean you're a hate group.

Intellectually, there is no difference (from a campaign contributions point of view) between attacking candidate A for opposing view C than there is supporting candidate B for supporting view C.

Quote (nobrow @ Sep 10 2014 12:33am)
I have no problem with restricting those groups from running attack ads on candidates. It's one thing for them to advertise trying to promote their interests in a general way and something entirely different to single out an individual candidate.

Charles Koch is welcome to spend as much of his money as he wants to attacking politicians but he should have to do it as an individual. Groups/organizations/unions/corporations aren't individuals.


No it's not different. Are you trying to tell me your word choice and tone regarding the promotion of your interests should weigh on whether you should enjoy a right to free speech?

Most people don't have the resources of Charles & David Koch, so if they want to make their voices heard, they have to band together (incorporate).

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Sep 10 2014 02:04am)
We're going to have shit politicians until we get the money out of politics.  I think this is an excellent first step.


When government wields the power to determine who may enter into business and how they may compete, the very first logical step of a rational, self-interested corporation is to control the competition via that very same government. Is there really any wonder why the US is an oligarchy?

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sep 10 2014 02:27am)
...the founding fathers believed political power should reside in the hands ofwhite , male landowners . Never use a Constitutional intent argument to oppose money in politics because our government was designed for the more affluent class .


I guess I'm not sure whose specific comment this was intended to address.
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Sep 10 2014 08:04am
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 10 2014 07:08am)
There will ALWAYS be money in politics because government makes laws and levies taxes. The only way to get money out of politics is to have a libertarian government that only deals with courts, doesn't provide services, etc.


Ah, it'd be a paradise.

Now, when I opened that link it had this quote in it:


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Search results in THOMAS are temporary and are deleted 30 minutes after creation.Please try your search again.


And immediately I thought, how the fuck do they know who I am!? I mean, I got a card at the Library of Congress in '08 but got dayum, then I realized I'm a moron.
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Sep 10 2014 08:46am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Sep 10 2014 02:04am)
We're going to have shit politicians until we get the money out of politics.  I think this is an excellent first step.


should've elected ron paul

think of how much fun these last 2 years would have been
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Sep 10 2014 09:03am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2014 02:46pm)
should've elected ron paul

think of how much fun these last 2 years would have been


Mourning his assassination.
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Sep 10 2014 09:22am
Quote (Kamahl16 @ Sep 10 2014 09:04am)
Ah, it'd be a paradise.

Now, when I opened that link it had this quote in it:


And immediately I thought, how the fuck do they know who I am!? I mean, I got a card at the Library of Congress in '08 but got dayum, then I realized I'm a moron.


Lol.
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Sep 10 2014 09:27am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 10 2014 09:15am)




I guess I'm not sure whose specific comment this was intended to address.


...it wasn't directed at anyone in particular , it was more like an inb4 before someone came along with a Founding Fathers quote supporting the restricting of money in our political system :)

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Sep 11 2014 10:14pm
Thankfully the vermin's attempt to remove constitutional protections of our freedom of speech was struck down today..

it garnered 54 democrat votes.. 6 shy of what was needed.
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Sep 11 2014 11:53pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 11 2014 08:14pm)
Thankfully the vermin's attempt to remove constitutional protections of our freedom of speech was struck down today..

it garnered 54 democrat votes.. 6 shy of what was needed.


They are indeed vermin.
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