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Sep 4 2014 10:58am
Quote (Voyaging @ 4 Sep 2014 16:56)
Yes I was going to add that to my post :P beat me to it


You literally wouldn't believe how many times I've had people tell me that humans are not animals. World is so full of numpties.
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Sep 4 2014 11:01am
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Yes I was going to add that to my post :P beat me to it

btw computer science needs to be core curriculum starting from about the time when kids develop adequate reading+writing skills


I'm learning logic now, so its importance will soon become apparent I'm sure :)

The teacher is a retired computer scientist from AT&T. "Logical and physical design of AT&T's long-distance network" on resume.

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After graduation I went to work for AT&T (American Telephone and Telegraph) as a DBA (a Data-Base Administrator). I did logical and physical design of AT&T’s long-distance network. It was one of the most intellectually challenging and stimulating work anyone could have. During my career with AT&T I was given the assignment of writing a position paper on which type of database management system was best for the size, types, relationships, and uses of the data we stored in our “section” of AT&T. While doing the research for this position paper I studied the foundations for one specific type of database. Database management systems are founded of formal logic, and formal logic is a significant tool (and topic) of philosophy. And that is what stimulated my deep interest and love for, and of, philosophy.


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Sep 4 2014 01:37pm
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I'm learning logic now, so its importance will soon become apparent I'm sure :)

The teacher is a retired computer scientist from AT&T.  "Logical and physical design of AT&T's long-distance network" on resume.


Computer logic isn't far removed from Aristotlean logic. If this is true and this is true then this etc. Simple lines of reasoning. An Atari could do it but most of the members of this forum can't manage it.
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Sep 4 2014 01:43pm
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It doesn't really matter that much.  Helpful for private charity work.

Plus, we're free to believe what we want.  It isn't like materialistic determinism or other monist philosophies don't have problems.

no we're not

you've got parents cramming god down kids throats backed up they threats of hell fire and eternal damnation from a young age, the results aren't surprising

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Sep 4 2014 02:03pm
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An Atari could do it but most of the members of this forum can't manage it.


Computers are a shitload better at classical Turing computations than humans. There are loads of things an Atari can do better than you (or any human).
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Sep 4 2014 02:14pm
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Yeah, sorry about the edit :P

But Tennessee and Louisiana are where it is scientific doctrine.  So no Nobel Prize winners from there.


Yeah, well... they just give those things to anybody.
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Sep 4 2014 03:00pm
At the end of the day, buying into creationism doesn't really impact someone's practical knowledge.

Furthermore, I'd argue that it doesn't really impact scientific knowledge. Not believing in evolution doesn't diminish someone's ability to engage in scientific work. It runs contrary, sure, but it doesn't really impact how someone could learn chemistry, physics, engineering, things of this nature. And it says nothing about what people learn and know about subjects like law, mathematics, human history, etc.
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Sep 4 2014 03:06pm
The church should just change how people interpret that Adam & Eve story from a one of hard facts - to one that is a parable of how the world was.

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Sep 4 2014 03:07pm
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no we're not

you've got parents cramming god down kids throats backed up they threats of hell fire and eternal damnation from a young age, the results aren't surprising


The same can be applied to all learning.

Either "free" has an accepted meaning in the context Skinned used it or it has no meaning at all. By targeting religion specifically you're just be unironically hypocritical.
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Sep 4 2014 03:07pm
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"Last month, a Gallup poll revealed that the majority of Americans prefer to believe that humanity was created by the Almighty, or guided by God in its evolution. Only 19 percent believe humans evolved from a more primitive form of life without any help from a higher being."

http://www.elllo.org/Assets/images/P1051/1081-460-Tech.jpg


In short 81% of people believe in God, this is outrageous?
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