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Sep 4 2014 10:13am
Quote (Vivienne @ Sep 4 2014 11:09am)
You're going to have to explain to me exactly what you mean by 'materialistic' determinism.

And yes. You're free to believe what you want... if you're entirely isolated from the rest of humanity. It's when those beliefs start affecting others that there is a problem... and there is a problem with teaching children lies in school.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

Can be taken derogatorily or not, I am not using it derogatorily because I see it as a legitimate metaphysical claim, aside from ignoring the mind-body problem or the power of idea in shaping reality altogether.

The world is most shaped by Marxism and that is a materialistic determinist worldview. Even non-Marxist think in terms of Marx's analysis without consciously realizing it. But Max Weber presented a good sociological argument against Marx's determinism in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

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Sep 4 2014 10:14am
Yeah, sorry about the edit :P

But Tennessee and Louisiana are where it is scientific doctrine. So no Nobel Prize winners from there.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

Can be taken derogatorily or not, I am not using it derogatorily because I see it as a legitimate metaphysical claim, aside from ignoring the mind-body problem or the power of idea in shaping reality altogether.


And what problems do you think scientism has?

I would say that the scientific method can be applied to just about anything and will eventually yield the best possible explanation for whatever phenomena it is applied to. It is as close to actual knowledge and truth as we will ever get. What other method is there? Speculation? Hearsay?
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 4 2014 12:24pm)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/humansevolve1.png
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/humansevolve2.png

http://www.slicktiger.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm-face-palm-epic-fail-demotivational-poster-12453844351.png


what's the difference?
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And what problems do you think scientism has?

I would say that the scientific method can be applied to just about anything and will eventually yield the best possible explanation for whatever phenomena it is applied to. It is as close to actual knowledge and truth as we will ever get. What other method is there? Speculation? Hearsay?


I personally would like to see a whole liberal arts curriculum be implemented in high school. At least what is considered an associates level of knowledge (2 yr college) including introduction to philosophy and critical thinking. Anything taken like political science, psychology, economics, sociology, in high school is usually a joke. Two semesters of biology. Math programs seem on point, but that is probably because they are run by math teachers who are generally smart individuals, even if some of them can't teach worth a shit.

But there is no reason that high schools can't graduate people with enough general education to go into college at a junior level. Public school systems have an imperative to do it because it would be in their rational best interest in the long term. The biggest resistance would be the college and book publishing industries who might be able to wag the dog enough to stop any comprehensive reform. What those two industries are doing is criminal.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 4 2014 11:24am)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/humansevolve1.png
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/humansevolve2.png

http://www.slicktiger.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm-face-palm-epic-fail-demotivational-poster-12453844351.png


Where is the "Humans are animals" option? Silly chart.
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Sep 4 2014 10:30am
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Where is the "Humans are animals" option?  Silly chart.


you evolved wrong

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Sep 4 2014 10:56am
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 4 2014 12:26pm)
Where is the "Humans are animals" option?  Silly chart.


Yes I was going to add that to my post :P beat me to it

btw computer science needs to be core curriculum starting from about the time when kids develop adequate reading+writing skills

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