I think it touches on a very very intrinsic problem that plagued me and my belief until its demise. I made a thread back then questioning the same exact thing. I asked what the point of praying was if god doesn't communicate himself.

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=69056169&f=119

This post was edited by Historic on Aug 8 2014 06:21pm

Yes, I am, because this world could be better and if God both existed and was all-loving he would not have created this world (which is why either God doesn't exist or isn't all-loving).

Suffering is not a prerequisite for people's actions to be morally relevant; if a God chose to create this world he is either malevolent or apathetic (or not a mind at all, perhaps a "computer").

...a Scriptural response to Epicurus


Romans 5:19-21

New International Version (NIV)

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Please don't copy and paste stuff for debates without your own commentary.

...this is a discussion son not a debate and my commentary precedes the offered citation .

You aren't a divine being that created the world...you are his creation...how can he ask you when you only do what he created you to do?

Don't post unless you have something to add. Widow has done nothing wrong here.



Isn't that by definition of Grace (which is unconditional love and forgiveness in the face of sin and imperfection, as I recall)?

is God responsible of his creation ?

E/ Should God assume the responsibility of his creation ?

idk exactly how to formulate my question :DD

This is where it's at.

Religious right take note.