It's okay for NATO to impinge upon historically Russian lands, but it's not okay for Russia to exert its influence over its historical land. I mean, what kind of civilized nation would deploy troops beyond its borders despite overwhelming international resistance?!? This is the 21st century, there is simply no excuse for reckless and bellicose foreign adventurism. Putin is worse than Vladimir of Walachia.

Might is right, Russia is now a regional power instead of a world power. As far as these things go, though, we didn't invade New Zealand when they stopped admitting our ships, we just cut them loose. Russia doesn't have any moral claim to owning 44 million Ukrainians.

This is about regime security for the Russian elites, they need to concentrate the flow of gas in order to stave off economic decline, which in turn would lead to a populist overthrow of the present regime. China is picking off trade partners in Central Asia and Europe / NATO is drawing in the rest of Europe.

Russia shouldn't be allowed to augment their power by seizing Ukraine and forming a ~200 million+ "customs union", it will just take longer to incorporate that sort of Russia into the existing world order.

The EU is fine for now, however much I dislike it. The existential threat is China, which will outspend the United States on defense within the next 20 years.

China is a paper tiger, Thought BRIC is a very real (economic) threat to US supremacy, at least combined, China alone is more of a joke. Though, we should be concentrating our efforts in forming closer ties with Australia and Southeast Asian nations and containing China better.

I see Russia mobilizing as a clear way for Europe to stretch its might for once and maybe even get some battle experience at least once this century. Maybe that will wake them up from their fantasy of the US always being their guard dog because war is such 20th century for them, haha.

Why don't you tell us what there is to debate?

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NATO is promising to protect states that are afraid of Russian aggression. Russia is promising to oppress its neighbors in order to secure its own internal elite and negotiate a better economic deal with China and the EU.

Do you not see the difference?

Crimea is about as foreign to Moscow as Texas is to Washington, D.C.

The United States is a sovereign entity of which Texas is a part. Russia have up any territorial claim to the Crimea before backtracking as their economy plunged.

It's flatout embarrassing most American's cannot locate any country except the US on a map.

YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME? THIS AINT NO GAME NIGGA, THIS AINT NO PICNIC BITCH, U THINK THIS IS A JOKE? THIS IS THE HOOD SON WE DONT PLAY NO GAMES U GET SHOT UP IN THIS BITCH THIS SHIT IS REAL THIS SHIT AINT A GAME. WE BE REPPIN THE BK EAST SIDE.They cant be accepted cuz they aint an og. Also there are way too many ppl on that list i think im gonna have to test their og level on the ogometer. Cuz I got 100 guns 100 clips nigga im from New York, New York a friday D-blocking shit true start a true start this is how we do.Maybe u dont realize im not on d2 u fuckin moron. Next time think about howfuckin dumb u r. Maybe u r not getting enough food to your fuckin brain cuz u cant afford any. Cry cuz not on d2 atm or ever cuz udodged for life prolly.No New Posts New Gang On Us East by TheGaToR in Player vs. Player ArchiveI dodged and ur not on bnet? sit the fuck down already kid and stfu.Pant pos? nty random.Kid no one here is raging but u, why dont u sit the fuck down and think about how much of a random u r then come back and talk. Otherwise stfu.All he does is talk shit and says that everyone else is talking shit, while he is eraging out the ass. Then he fakes being online when i got logs of him being offline then he thinks hes smart cuz i didnt say * cuz i was on sc. Wat a random.Cry sV random cuz ur face looks like it got hit by a fuckin train.Game for rape? Fuckin random. Get all ur hacks and juvs off for a gm duel.And stop the erage cuz ur face is fucked up.I was lawling at him taking over channel u fuckin gook. Get on and make game for rape, gm or u gonna dodge cuz ur whole clan uses hacks. Cry cuz face is fucked.ur the one dodging im waiting for game name. Clearly dodging random cuz cant gm.Actually i was downstairs having a life. You should try it sometime. Or your face is too fucked up to be seen in public.Who the fuck would join a pos clan like that. Just a group of tals mfers? btw 300-400 mf is the best random with a fucked up face. THEN GTFO MY D2 FORUMS U FUCKIN GOOK RANDOM. U cant be in "Harvard" because u have the spelling of a 2nd grader. Your a drop out just face it your nothing.nty im not raging at all. Hes some figgen random who sux at life.Ive prolly been playing the game a lot longer then u random sit the fuck down? Also no one on these forums knows who the fuck he is besides hes in cruel. I see 10+ ppl asking who the fuck he is. He isnt #1 blisser either. Maybe #1 random but not blisser.ur the ut random? Rofl man 5k keys? pro I bet u cant load 5k or even 1k for that matter. So why dont u sit the fuck down. And if u wanna fuck with cruel ur gonna fuck with me. I am friends with every top loader and flooder on bnet so sit the fuck down.Clan thug is a shit loader clan first off. Who the fuck are shads and vade never heard of those randoms. And wats ur name kid? I am friends with raiden nightmare InViTeD shocks wank soul axle, Clan Cell, Clan RH, Clan Kill, Clan Og etc. Dont fuck with the best kid.Lawl wheres that random dodging me.Rofl im sensing erage. So ive been playing on and off since d2 and been on bnet since 97 cry about it? Zuljian isnt my d2 acc name so stfu random. And yes I do kno the best loaders and flooders so stfu. And I know its possible to load 5k because Invited Loaded 5.6k which is the most loaded on bnet hes #1. And I wouldnt kno shit about flooding? Kid you dont know me ur the only rand i see with ur wack ass sig. Learn some photoshop random. And I dont got a sister and if i did she doesnt like 8 yr olds like u.rofl pub wat queer shit?? only the shit u talk. Btw I said there are ppl online idiot your the 5th person that cant read on jsp so far that I met gj. Btw my sig size is fine pub. And your also the 5th person to question the ranking system. That isnt my clan ranking system noob shit its rank on east just cuz you suck doesnt mean he does cry less pub. And the responses are from ppl in other clans that think they are top shit but they cant back it up. O and btw snapple u pub that msg isnt a sig. Learn something then get back to me. He lies about all this shit. I bet atm hes crying to clan thug to flood and load u. He dodged 5 of my questions 5-0.Guess the kid dodged, I dont blame him though, hes just a kid. 2-0. First off kid ur flood fuckin sux. 1 bot comes in which is #15 and lower every 5 minutes. That is not a flood that is a fuckin joke. I would stop while ur fuckin ahead cuz ur horrible.You posted a s/s of your shit flood? Wow kid rofl u cant load more then 100 and u say u can load 5k? Your proxies fuckin suck also 10 bots leave the channel as the proxy dies wat random uses 10 bots per proxy wat a fuckin joke. Btw proxies are dying as we speak. Find better ranges next time. I would load ur pos clan with 3k but im not gonna waste my time on a clan that has channel protection on and has 1 member in it at all times which is the ops. Rofl random.LMFAROFLWAFFLES!!! Wow this massloader thinks hes leet or some shit. "First Your Clan Now Your Site" Kid your load was fuckin horrible and the only reason it couldnt be stopped was cuz someone took ops down. Your flood was the slowest flood ive ever seen on bnet it fuckin sucked. U could not load more then 100 so dont think your fuckin hot shit when your not. U think u own using all the fuckin hacks in the game and still get raped, thats fuckin sad. I bet my lvl 40 auradin with no gear and stats could rape ur clan 1v7 so sit the fuck down. Im still waiting for u to answer my question wat ur loader name is? 3-0 so far random and still waiting. Also im waiting for their site to be down how long does it take. Do u even kno wat is usd to take down a site? Dont think so random. Iso more randoms in op ut- and less channel protection.Giovanni cry cuz ur some lil welfare nigger from africa and dodged me countless times. Sit the fuck down random.Random still eraging that i raped his e-pride?Ut is dead now it wasnt even a clan just a bunch of randoms united to try and beat one of the top clans but failed cuz they are randoms.3-5 months ago? ROFL maybe like 1 day? Cuz this shit happened yesterday random. Cry more dodge. Im sick of ur shit u think ur good when u get ez raped with all ur hacks. My level 1 char could 1 hit rape ur whole fuckin noob clan. Fuckin slit ur writs and gtfo my server random.ROFL. Erage less random? Try to be nice and kid erages, sad mistake for a human.Can i help u with something random?Rofl this random keep adding to the score? First u said 15-3 then 20 then 31? Random. Btw u towned about 50 times and it was 2v2 and we were gming so sit the fuck down. U guys got raped hard Revolution raped u both at the same time so cry about it. Ur horrible without juvs so sit the fuck down.Ut mod??? Another Random pos mod. Who made Ut a mod cuz this noob is too dumb to make 1 himself.Your mother is so nasty, that when she does a split, she sticks to the floor.President Bush was at a confernce and one of his senators came up to him and said "Mr President today 8 brazillions have died." Bush looked down and sighed and said, how much is a brazillion?This noob is so fuckin dumb rofl. Cant think of anythign new to say so he quotes himself. Wat a pos gook.No erage, cry about it. Make up lies less? Fake online more.Sry kid u wish i would blow u cuz everyone knows u like guys sucking ur dick, not girls.Make sense more? Maybe cuz ur face got hit by a train it killed some brain cells.This kids so dumb, eraging all the time.Ut isnt even 5 months old random. Stop erage lies.Wow... is that the best u can think of? Use my shit against me? Dont think so random. Your some fat 40 yr old redneck who lives in his moms basement and easts chips all day and cries cuz ur life sux so u keep eating and eating and eating until ull explode. Ur at 500 lbs now. STOP EATING RANDOM get a job.ROFL this shit looks familar. 5 month old post cries when shit happends the day b4. Ut and Woj both cry the same shit and use the same hacks. Wat randoms. Next woj will do a shit load in cruel and ill laugh.Massloader stfu u ez sack of random shit. He dropped out not cta or gmoded out cuz thats called silent leave fuckin gook. Maybe if u knew anything about the game instead of using hacks u would know wat silent leave is. Or maybe ur too dumb of a nigger ot kno wat silent means.Lol random im not eraged. Suck more at life? Atleast my life isnt d2 which u suck at. And u have no idea if im white or black u assume that im white but u dont kno for a fact, stalker..? Irl u > me? nty. Come to NYC 42nd stree in the Bk see who makes it out alive. Cry ur a fuckin joke kid ill be waiting for u to come. If u dont then u dodge irl and ur a sad pos. Or r u scared?Got them cry about it random. You just joined and already starting shit with ppl gtfo my forums.Rofl this kid is so dumb. So he eats 34 twinkies apparently.And ur known on these forums for being a fuckin gook while lubu is known for being a good dueler.ROFL 1K? U CANT EVEN LOAD PAST 50 THERE IS NO FUCKIN WAY IN HELL UR PROXIES CAN LAST 1K OR U EVEN HAVING 1K KEY SO STFU RANDOM ROFL. GET PAST 50 THEN WE TALK.Actually im very calm ur the one whos eraging with all ur caps. Im friends with cruel, cry about it. Ive been laughing at this noob in 15 threads for his shit load. Hop off his dick maybe.Game is made random stop dodging me. Or if ur taking all ur hacks off hurry the fuck up.Im dodging? Thats y i just raped him 11-1? Sit the fuck down.U getting ur friends to pm me saying to join when i just raped u? Man u need to stop lying with ur fuckin ezness.Less lies? Kid we all know ur lying. First u say i wasnt in game and i was dodging, then u realize i was right and u say u killed me. You killed me once cuz my hotkeys fucked up and the total score was 11-1. All your friends saw u getting raped so stfu already. And idc that cruel is full ur proxies suck, they fuckin died during your 5 minute flood.Your max is at 124 u told me 1k? Stop the lies.ROFLMFAO. You owning at it thats y it was 11-1? U suck kid rm ur shit, ur not even good with hacks, sit the fuck down. And u realized I raped u thats y ur like u dont care about kills on jsp. I raped u on d2 not jsp sit the fuck down and gtfo my forums bitch.300? First off ur highest # was 150 u did not hit 150 bots. 2nd I dont need to kno ranges to kno if its a good flood or load u can see how fast the bots join and leave channel and spam the msg. When ur as pro a loader/flooder as me u can talk but for now stfu. I know nothing?? U wish I knew nothing kid I kno more about computers then u kno about ur own fuckin nerd life. Sit the fuck down random.No we are laughing at ur fuckin dumb comments and that u block out wat bot u r using by using paint. Learn Photoshop.Perfect English? You mispelled english how pro. Ur mad cuz u cant use photoshop and u cant dos shit. U said u can and u think u can but u cant. Y the fuck r u still here? No one here likes u. You think ur cool with ur lil loading bots max of 150 and u think ur god when u use every hack in the game and got raped 11-1 gm. Just leave ur a fuckin noob who joined 3 days ago and yet u fuckin have 400 posts. Kid leave already and never come back. Slit your fuckin writs and gtfo. Im sick of ur lil kid shit. Grow up.Get a life? I have 1 thx. I dont go around dling every hack int he game and then gettign pwned 11-1. Stop riding his dick cuz i think ur the only friend he has on bnet. Ur a lil kid too u gonna cry cuz ur only friend got ass raped ? You and him can both get the fuck off my forums.U wish i would suck ur dick u fuckin faggot. Massloader likes to suck dick, he likes to shoot Massloads of cum into your mouth.Kid WTF r u talking about you stupid gook. Before replying to anything y dont u find out wtf this topic is about. sV casey isnt in this shit at all. Gtfo already ur not wanted on these forums.Hop off his dick? Fuckin random.Kid WTF r u talking about you stupid gook. Before replying to anything y dont u find out wtf this topic is about. sV casey isnt in this shit at all. Gtfo already ur not wanted on these forums.Erage less? Cuz i have more firends in 1 clan then u have on bneT? Try filling ur friends list then come ttalk to me. And like i siad im not talking about casey and a duel game, im talking about me raping ur shitty barb friend 11-1.Wats ur acc kid? so I can rape it. Also billy u fuckin gook I havent been on d2 in a month and u havent been on in 2 months so how the fuck would u know if i go into games or not? Fuckin noob so dumb. And about my druid I made a fun char thats all I have others stop bitching about it.I had to rofl at this. U were on mobile right after u got off ur comp so stfu. 2nd I told u about 20 times to get one of ur firends to duel me and u still dodged. Wat u dont have friends now random? O ya I forgot u only have cory jake and kate. Next time u talk shit make sure to back it up and stop dodging.Rofl @ kid all he says is that I jack off to wins. Sry kid I have a gf I dont need to look at porn like u kiddes. Stop dick riding Massloader cuz ur his only friend atm. And made up scores? There were 3 witnesses of me raping his shitty acc.Kids so dumb. First he asks if he is dodging a fc druid, then he said im dodging my own druid?A good lil friendless boy? Use my shit less plz when only have 3 friends and i have 8 f lists full.I am God.Still waiting for acc name. Dodge me? Your prolly the fat 8th grader cory arent u. And im not random thx. But u sure are.Gook wtf r u talking about. Ur sending me useless s/s which i could give to fucks about. I make ppl duel for me? Kid stop fuckin dodging me and then u can talk shit. I hate when ppl like u all u do is talk shit yet wont get on d2 and face me. What are u too poor to afford a comp or something? Or diablo 2?Actually u didnt tell me that. Less lies now? Im retarded and ur making shit up? Kid sit the fuck down and think about how ur 25 yrs old and u still play a video game. Get a life already.Ya your fuckin dumb. If you dont not get that u were on ur comp and then switched to mobile. Less lies how u told cory to get on when he himself was on aim at the time u switched. Sit the fuck down kid stop lying in an attempt to gain epride.I can stay out as long as a fuckin want kid. Idc how old u r I will call u kid.

BRIC ain't shit. Brazil's economy isn't booming like people predicted, they failed to enfranchise more people when they had the chance and now they're on their way back to chart topping inequality, high inflation, and slow growth. Russia is in bad shape because the petrorubles are drying up and Putin is telling his oligarchs to stop stealing because of it by a few choice persecutions. With internal political opposition gone, he has his own party to deal with, full of old oligarchs not going anywhere and young managers with MBAs from London with nowhere to advance. They are going to chew his ass up.

China is the most relevant on the list, but they have every problem the US has only exponentially worse and without the massive force that is the American Middle Class. Not to mention that militarily they have one aircraft carrier that is surplus and which they can fly nothing off of or land nothing onto. The worse thing that can happen to China is that they could adopt a more individualistic outlook like the West and start competing within themselves instead of cooperating like they have been. It would all be downhill for them from there.

I'm not going to say anything bad about India except that they have ways to go, but are well on their way. They are developing a powerful Middle Class. The Middle Class has to be able to overpower the upper class for them to ever truly rival the US (unless the Middle Class in the US doesn't cockslap the top 1% soon, then we're on our way to where India is).

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 8 2014 02:53pm