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Apr 5 2014 02:07pm
http://rt.com/usa/drone-lawsuit-americans-yemen-565/

How do you feel about the Court throwing out this suit due to lack of an available remedy? Lawsuits-- and sometimes very good ones-- are often thrown out for justiciablity issues such as this.

One interpretation of this decision: "Even though we killed your family members with a drone, and that may have been unconstitutional, the Court will not hear this case because no matter what we decide there is no way for us to remedy the situation, so the issue is non-justiciable, and thus your claim is dismissed".

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Serious issues regarding constitutional law rose to the surface on Friday as a US federal judge dismissed a court case against the US government by families of three Americans killed in US drone strikes in Yemen.

Judge Rosemary Collyer of the US District Court in Washington ruled that the Americans killed by a US drone strike in Yemen in 2011 had no recourse to the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, as the legal team for the families had argued, because the US military did not make an effort to restrain the three individuals who were killed.

The Fourth Amendment explicitly states that the “right of the people to be secure in their persons…against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.”

"Unmanned drones are functionally incapable of 'seizing' a person; they are designed to kill, not capture," she wrote. Although Collyer wrote that the plantiffs presented a reasonable argument that the US government violated the American right to due process, “the court finds no available remedy under US law for this claim."

The judge suggested it was not within the bounds of the courts to rule against current military planning.

Imposing penalties on particular government officials in this case "would impermissibly draw the court into the heart of executive and military planning and deliberation," she wrote. It would "require the court to examine national security policy and the military chain of command as well as operational combat decisions."

"In this delicate area of war making national security and foreign relations the judiciary has an exceedingly limited role."

Killed in the drone strike was New Mexico-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who, according to US officials, was a member of Al-Qaida's Yemen affiliate, and Samir Khan, a naturalized US citizen who had moved to Yemen in 2009.

Al-Awlaki’s 16-year-old son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was also killed in the attack.

The question as to who should be held responsible for the extrajudicial murder of American citizens without due process in the US legal system seems to have been left hanging in the balance of the legal scales.

"The question presented is whether federal officials can be held personally liable for their roles in drone strikes abroad that target and kill US citizens," Collyer commented in her opinion. "The question raises fundamental issues regarding constitutional principles, and it is not easy to answer."

Collyer said that the US officials named as defendants in the case, which included Leon Panetta, the former defense secretary and CIA chief, and David Petraeus, also a former CIA chief, as well as a four-star general, "must be trusted and expected to act in accordance with the US Constitution when they intentionally target a US citizen abroad at the direction of the president and with the concurrence of Congress.

“They cannot be held personally responsible in monetary damages for conducting war."

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights served as legal representation for the families.

"This is a deeply troubling decision that treats the government's allegations as proof while refusing to allow those allegations to be tested in court," said ACLU lawyer Hina Shamsi. "The court's view that it cannot provide a remedy for extrajudicial killings when the government claims to be at war, even far from any battlefield, is profoundly at odds with the Constitution."

Meanwhile, Center for Constitutional Rights lawyer Maria LaHood said the judge "effectively convicted" Anwar al-Awlaki "posthumously based solely on the government's say-so." LaHood said the court found that the constitutional rights of the murdered individuals "weren't violated because the government didn't target them."

"It seems there's no remedy if the government intended to kill you, and no remedy if it didn't. This decision is a true travesty of justice for our constitutional democracy and for all victims of the US government's unlawful killings," LaHood argued.

The United States is facing tough international criticism over its drone program, which was created to attack suspected terrorists in places like Pakistan and Yemen. Last month, the UN Human Rights Committee, which is comprised of 18 independent experts, called on the Obama administration to evaluate its use of the aerial attack vehicles to assassinate militants abroad, as well as provide information as to how it chooses its targets.

The US should "revisit its position regarding legal justifications for the use of deadly force through drone attacks," investigate any abuses and compensate victims' families, the watchdog added in its conclusions.

The Obama administration significantly increased the number of drone strikes after the president took office in 2009, but the attacks have begun to decrease in the last year.

Last month, civil rights groups sounded the alarm when US Attorney General Eric Holder said it was “hypothetically possible” for the US to unleash a drone attack against an American on US soil.

“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the president to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder wrote in a letter dated Match 4th and disclosed by Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky.
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Apr 5 2014 02:19pm
It is a good question. How can there possibly be restitution in this scenario? Impossible really. And there is no point in having a trial if there is no possibility of restitution, it is required by our courts. Our legal system does such a good job of extracting restitution something like this hardly comes up.

This will bring the topic up among legal philosophers out there. I'd like to read a Scalia or Posner opinion about this.

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http://rt.com/usa/drone-lawsuit-americans-yemen-565/

How do you feel about the Court throwing out this suit due to lack of an available remedy? Lawsuits-- and sometimes very good ones-- are often thrown out for justiciablity issues such as this.

One interpretation of this decision: "Even though we killed your family members with a drone, and that may have been unconstitutional, the Court will not hear this case because no matter what we decide there is no way for us to remedy the situation, so the issue is non-justiciable, and thus your claim is dismissed".


there is no way to remedy the situation LOL
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Drone abortions. Gotta love 'em.
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Drone abortions. Gotta love 'em.


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Apr 5 2014 10:15pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 5 2014 04:19pm)
It is a good question.  How can there possibly be restitution in this scenario?  Impossible really.  And there is no point in having a trial if there is no possibility of restitution, it is required by our courts.  Our legal system does such a good job of extracting restitution something like this hardly comes up.

This will bring the topic up among legal philosophers out there.  I'd like to read a Scalia or Posner opinion about this.


Hold those responsible accountable? Take a look at the drone program, prevent future situations? How can anyone honestly say they do not see any logic result?


This post was edited by Tylr on Apr 5 2014 10:17pm
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