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Apr 3 2014 05:22am
http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood

https://twitter.com/AP/status/451551919182729216

Shooter had PTSD. Apparently buying more expensive equipment is of a higher importance than treating your veterans right.

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Apr 3 2014 05:28am
Quote (balrog66 @ Apr 3 2014 07:22am)
http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood

https://twitter.com/AP/status/451551919182729216

Shooter had PTSD. Apparently buying more expensive equipment is of a higher importance than treating your veterans right.


....the shooter was being evaluated for PTSD , it is not a confirmed diagnosis . He was however receiving mental health counselling and the truth unfortunately is that money does not fix crazy .
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Apr 3 2014 05:46am
From the National Association of Mental Illness factsheet:

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Although military members comprise less than 1 percent of the U.S. population,veterans represent 20 percent of suicides nationally. Each day, about 22 veterans die from suicide.


http://www.nami.org/factsheets/mentalillness_factsheet.pdf

We don't want to oversimplify the situation and say that this guy shot a bunch of people because he was mentally ill. Nobody can make that claim yet. But there is definitely something rotten. We can't even place the blame on the military because chances are if this guy was mentally ill and untreated, he remained untreated because of the stigma associated with mental illness, which prevents many men from seeking help. Mental health isn't viewed like physical health, but it should be, because it fluctuates and gets better and worse just like it.

It is just going to get worse until societal attitudes change. As long as the mentally ill are looked down upon and while prison is the default mental health care facility in the United States, this will keep happening.

It is no wonder people associate mental illness with badness, the government closed all their community care facilities, replaces them with nothing, and started throwing crazy people into for-profit prisons.

Quote (balrog66 @ Apr 3 2014 06:47am)
Can't you put some blame of the stigma on the military? Military culture seems to reinforce the whole "strong man without weaknesses, doesn't cry and doesn't flinch at the sight of violence" stereotype.


That attitude is a reflection of our society as a whole, just exaggerated.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 3 2014 05:49am
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From the National Association of Mental Illness factsheet:



http://www.nami.org/factsheets/mentalillness_factsheet.pdf

We don't want to oversimplify the situation and say that this guy shot a bunch of people because he was mentally ill.  Nobody can make that claim yet.  But there is definitely something rotten.  We can't even place the blame on the military because chances are if this guy was mentally ill and untreated, he remained untreated because of the stigma associated with mental illness, which prevents many men from seeking help.  Mental health isn't viewed like physical health, but it should be, because it fluctuates and gets better and worse just like it.


Can't you put some blame of the stigma on the military? Military culture seems to reinforce the whole "strong man without weaknesses, doesn't cry and doesn't flinch at the sight of violence" stereotype.
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From the National Association of Mental Illness factsheet:



http://www.nami.org/factsheets/mentalillness_factsheet.pdf

We don't want to oversimplify the situation and say that this guy shot a bunch of people because he was mentally ill.  Nobody can make that claim yet.  But there is definitely something rotten.  We can't even place the blame on the military because chances are if this guy was mentally ill and untreated, he remained untreated because of the stigma associated with mental illness, which prevents many men from seeking help.  Mental health isn't viewed like physical health, but it should be, because it fluctuates and gets better and worse just like it.

It is just going to get worse until societal attitudes change.  As long as the mentally ill are looked down upon and while prison is the default mental health care facility in the United States, this will keep happening.


...a question they are discussing is what was the trigger that set him off . Here's a guy who did 4 months in Iraq 3 years ago and apparently made a claim that he suffered a traumatic head injury but there is no record of him ever being injured . Another question is why was he sent home after just 4 months when most soldiers do multiple full term deployments .
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Apr 3 2014 10:09am
veterans deserve to be treated like shit
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Quote (Koen @ Apr 3 2014 12:09pm)
veterans deserve to be treated like shit


In certain ways, agreed.
In certain ways, disagreed.

Nationalism has fooled these people (Well, they have fooled themselves, but it can be understood how that came about.) into believing what they are doing is just and necessary for protection, but undoubtedly it is not necessary and it is definitely not just, and their ignorance is what allows the war machine to keep turning. With that, I'd say people should definitely scrutinize the ignorance that consumes them, and the blindfold of nationalism that blinds them, and we shouldn't praise what they are doing, nor pretend they are fighting for any thing other than the financial interest of ruling politicians and their power. But - So long as this shit continues, they need to be treated right by the government that employs them. Maybe this is just a necessary step for people to open their eyes to the reality that our rulers honestly don't give a shit about a single one of us, not even those who allow their abuse to continue. They joined a terrible organization, and they know the consequences, they have themselves to blame. You'd think the government would actually take care of the people who serve it's greedy interest, though.
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Apr 3 2014 02:15pm
Quote (Koen @ Apr 3 2014 11:09am)
veterans deserve to be treated like shit


Middle Easterners deserve each other. ;)

Quote (Tylr @ Apr 3 2014 02:44pm)
In certain ways, agreed.
In certain ways, disagreed.

Nationalism has fooled these people (Well, they have fooled themselves, but it can be understood how that came about.)  into believing what they are doing is just and necessary for protection, but undoubtedly it is not necessary and it is definitely not just, and their ignorance is what allows the war machine to keep turning.  With that, I'd say people should definitely scrutinize the ignorance that consumes them, and the blindfold of nationalism that blinds them, and we shouldn't praise what they are doing, nor pretend they are fighting for any thing other than the financial interest of ruling politicians and their power.  But - So long as this shit continues, they need to be treated right by the government that employs them.  Maybe this is just a necessary step for people to open their eyes to the reality that our rulers honestly don't give a shit about a single one of us, not even those who allow their abuse to continue.  They joined a terrible organization, and they know the consequences, they have themselves to blame.  You'd think the government would actually take care of the people who serve it's greedy interest, though.


What they are doing is just and necessary for our protection.
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Apr 3 2014 02:45pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Apr 3 2014 04:28am)
....the shooter was beingevaluatedfor PTSD , it is not a confirmed diagnosis . He was however receiving mental health counselling and the truth unfortunately is that money does not fix crazy .


But castration does.
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