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Mar 30 2014 05:31pm
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An example of how American treatment of natives is swept under the rug. Canada doesn't have a good record but compared to the US Canada looks pretty great. This ridiculous "genocide" talk comes from some corrupt reservations who don't handle their money well who wanted to bitch and complain. It was all but dismissed.

Now take the US. America never viewed natives as anything more than tools, and normally just considered them vermin on land. George Washington attempted genocide against the Iroquois, Andrew Jackson outright committed genocide against dozens of tribes, most notably the Cherokee (Whom he had to violate US law to ethnically cleanse). Then look at all the examples during the settler period in the West. No country treated it's natives worse than America. And today problems are just as bad if not worse, difference is most natives in the US are out of sight and out of mind, lack the education and means to improve their lives, and simply the native population isn't large enough for anyone to care. In Canada there's a similar sized native population which allows them to be heard.


Forcibly abducting kids and raising them with white Canadian parents doesn't constitute genocide? What age are we living in? Corrupt reservationists or not, they can use as a rallying cry because it happened and happened recently.

And what about the protests among the Inuit? After having their original way of life destroyed, there hasn't been much accommodation for the obscene consumable prices they're experiencing. That's a systematic issue for sure.

The United States teaches a pretty honest history of American treatment of Native Americans. It's always graphic and Jackson is demonized for what he did to the natives and for his flagrant disregard of the Supreme Court. And nobody thinks the Americans were worse than the Spanish in Central and South America, or the Belgians in the Congo, that's just insulting.
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Mar 30 2014 05:39pm
...a race of isolated people still living in the Stone Age were almost guaranteed to face extinction when eventually confronted by modern man . To our credit we have made many serious attempts at reparations and it is now up to them whether they survive or not .
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...a race of isolated people still living in the Stone Age were almost guaranteed to face extinction when eventually confronted by modern man . To our credit we have made many serious attempts at reparations and it is now up to them whether they survive or not .


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Mar 30 2014 08:19pm
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Forcibly abducting kids and raising them with white Canadian parents doesn't constitute genocide? What age are we living in? Corrupt reservationists or not, they can use as a rallying cry because it happened and happened recently.

And what about the protests among the Inuit? After having their original way of life destroyed, there hasn't been much accommodation for the obscene consumable prices they're experiencing. That's a systematic issue for sure.

The United States teaches a pretty honest history of American treatment of Native Americans. It's always graphic and Jackson is demonized for what he did to the natives and for his flagrant disregard of the Supreme Court. And nobody thinks the Americans were worse than the Spanish in Central and South America, or the Belgians in the Congo, that's just insulting.


Abducting kids? No, they didn't. And you have your facts wrong. Aboriginal children living on reservations were brought to boarding schools. A far less overt attempt to forcibly assimilate aboriginal populations as compared to the US. US policy is evict natives, kill any who argue, give them the worst land possible (If any) with no funding and see how long it takes till they break. Residential schools were not genocide. Genocide is an attempt to wipe out an ethnic group. So what the US did to natives. Canada tried assimilation.

You hear about the few who protest, not the masses who have good lives. Nunavut, along with the rest of the territories, is fairly wealthy on a personal basis. Their traditional way of life isn't destroyed at all either. You want to talk about Northern natives peoples lives being destroyed, start the conversation with Alaska.

Honest history? Perhaps. Is it talked about very much? Not at all. History of natives in Canada is expansive in schools curriculums. It's not in the US. Jackson isn't demonized in the US, he's regarded as one of the most popular and best presidents in history, and his racism against blacks and aboriginals is swept under the rug. In substance the Americans were just as bad as the Spanish were. The Spanish treated natives like any peoples did with a foreign group during that time period. The substance of American attacks on Natives isn't more than 200 years in the past. The European powers treated colonial Africans as lesser peoples but as peoples who were vital to operation of the colonies, the Americans treated natives as vermin who needed to get the fuck out.
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Mar 30 2014 09:21pm
I'm sorry, but I'm finding it hard to care.
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Mar 30 2014 09:56pm
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I'm sorry, but I'm finding it hard to care.


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Mar 31 2014 01:02am
Yeah, we really need to get rid of reservations. Convincing natives that they're better off living in isolated squalor is probably the most heinous thing the US Government has ever done.

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Yeah, we really need to get rid of reservations.  Convincing natives that they're better off living in isolated squalor is probably the most heinous thing the US Government has ever done.


If we abolished reservations there would be blood.
Many Indians actually like living in reservations. They are free to move out and some do.
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Mar 31 2014 01:33am
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If we abolished reservations there would be blood.
Many Indians actually like living in reservations. They are free to move out and some do.


exactly. we managed to make internment camps without even forcing them to stay there.
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Abducting kids? No, they didn't. And you have your facts wrong. Aboriginal children living on reservations were brought to boarding schools. A far less overt attempt to forcibly assimilate aboriginal populations as compared to the US. US policy is evict natives, kill any who argue, give them the worst land possible (If any) with no funding and see how long it takes till they break. Residential schools were not genocide. Genocide is an attempt to wipe out an ethnic group. So what the US did to natives. Canada tried assimilation.

You hear about the few who protest, not the masses who have good lives. Nunavut, along with the rest of the territories, is fairly wealthy on a personal basis. Their traditional way of life isn't destroyed at all either. You want to talk about Northern natives peoples lives being destroyed, start the conversation with Alaska.

Honest history? Perhaps. Is it talked about very much? Not at all. History of natives in Canada is expansive in schools curriculums. It's not in the US. Jackson isn't demonized in the US, he's regarded as one of the most popular and best presidents in history, and his racism against blacks and aboriginals is swept under the rug. In substance the Americans were just as bad as the Spanish were. The Spanish treated natives like any peoples did with a foreign group during that time period. The substance of American attacks on Natives isn't more than 200 years in the past. The European powers treated colonial Africans as lesser peoples but as peoples who were vital to operation of the colonies, the Americans treated natives as vermin who needed to get the fuck out.


The U.S. had boarding schools all the way into the 80s in an attempt to forcibly assimilate natives. There was rampant sexual, physical, and emotional abuse at these schools. Generations of natives grew up without parents in these places to the point many reservations have free parenting classes to help people that basically were without parents for most of their childhood.

I do agree about Jackson and overall history curriculum. Public schools seem to whitewash the U.S.'s treatment of the Native Americans.
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