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Mar 23 2014 02:44pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 23 2014 03:07pm)
In the long run, perhaps it was a good idea.  The Middle East needs a kick in the ass if they ever want to experience real progress.  Islam has doomed the Middle East to years of sectarian violence, and anything the United States does to further Western values over there is a worthy investment.  The world is moving forward, and the West will no longer sit idly by while backwards-thinking Muslims continue to be a scourge to the planet.  We are helping them, whether they know it or not.


Iraq was secular and more stable before..
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Mar 23 2014 03:30pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 23 2014 03:44pm)
Iraq was secular and more stable before..


Egypt was more stable with Mubarak. Libya was more stable with Qaddafi. Did any of them really have the support of the people?

Temporary instability for long-term stability and prosperity is worth it. The people of the Middle East deserve self-determination.
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Mar 23 2014 06:05pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 23 2014 03:31pm)
She forgot to mention Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.  Surprise, surprise.

Edit - This sort of reminds me of the banking bailout.  Tons of Democrats voted for it, then it became politically unpopular, so they vaguely claimed they were "lied" to.  Did you fall for that one too?


They voted for it because the were sold a lie from liars. Thats the difference and one that people seem quick to forget.

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Mar 23 2014 06:24pm
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They voted for it because the were sold a lie from liars. Thats the difference and  one that people seem quick to forget.


:lol:

Man, I guess people really do fall for it. So the Democratic senators were bamboozled, and the Republican senators were part of the sinister plan?

At least try to make some sense and blame the CIA or the top national security officials of the Bush administration. What the hell does John McCain and Lindsey Graham have to do with it?

I should probably remember who I'm responding to.
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Mar 24 2014 02:47pm
Remember: If it's on the internet it must be true.
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Did I say I believed it to be true or not, no I said I found it interesting. I honestly doesn't give a damn why we went to war, I just know ANY reason for it was moronic. A waste of lives and $$$.
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Mar 27 2014 09:20am
Quote (Wew @ Mar 25 2014 03:18pm)
Did I say I believed it to be true or not, no I said I found it interesting. I honestly doesn't give a damn why we went to war, I just know ANY reason for it was moronic. A waste of lives and $$$.


This is the problem with many anti-war people. They are not open to reason, and are blinded by principles that have no place in the real world.
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Mar 27 2014 09:30am
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9/11 was an inside job.


How many people decide what happens? Was it all of afghanistan, or just 1-3 people? add them all up maybe 3000 people who run the world...Why it only takes 4% to have a revalution..If they Don't control and hide all they do...We would rise up...Why we need shut people up fast if they start speaking the truth.
If you don't like war, you have the right to shut up..Oil is only reason we attacked Iraq all know this..
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Mar 27 2014 10:41am
Quote (Wew @ Mar 19 2014 12:38pm)
http://www.feasta.org/documents/papers/oil1.htm

I'm not saying it is or isn't but, I found it interesting.


The author doesn't understand how currencies work.

The United States does earn a premium for controlling the worlds currency, but it's ridiculous to say that the United States receives its imports "for free".

The United States can import more than its exports because its economy is gigantic and its citizens produce ~16 trillion yearly in GDP.

Foreigners are willing to buy American dollars because they can buy goods and services with American dollars, even those not provided by Americans.
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Mar 27 2014 11:03am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 27 2014 07:20am)
This is the problem with many anti-war people.  They are not open to reason, and are blinded by principles that have no place in the real world.


Maybe you disagree with anti-war people on multiple platforms and the culmination of your politics demands a little war while they would rather live in peace.
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