If government wasn't corrupt, big government wouldn't be a problem.

there is no inherent wrong in big government.

Im asking a question, which one is in control of their own body, the mother or the child?

when it comes to an abortion, id say neither. as the mother is in control of her child's body and the child is in control of nothing.

Im implying a libertarian can be against the preventable enslavement and death of a fetus with out too much of a fuss.

and then you still have to consider what the father has to say.....NOT!!!! who cares what the father has to say? am I right or am I right, Im right, right?

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Apr 8 2014 11:13pm

Here's what I think:
A libertarian should be opposed to regulations prohibiting abortion, and should also oppose a woman choosing to have an abortion. But opposing prohibition is more traditional, as there is the question of whether to consider an undeveloped fetus a human deserving rights.

if the fetus can consciously retreat into the womb when the abortion procedure starts, something is wrong with what is being done.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Apr 8 2014 11:20pm

I'm not a scientist, although I am a proponent of abortion, but I imagine you're using consciously pretty liberally. A natural reaction to the violation of the fetus' living place is different then being afraid and choosing to react.

and crabs don't feel pain.

Fear is fear.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Apr 8 2014 11:24pm

It's like when you burn your hand on the stove. Your hand jerks away naturally before you even realize what's happened. That's the kind of reaction the fetus is having.

and crabs don't feel pain.

fear is fear.

your theory of involuntary reaction to explain away things like fear and pain have long been debunked in other animals.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Apr 8 2014 11:34pm

OK, call it fear if you want.

Do you eat meat?

Do you think animals experience fear?

More or less than an undeveloped fetus?

There is only one individual until the child is alive on its own. Before viability it just isn't a person, and non-people don't get a say. Look around, it isn't like life is sacred anyway. Your way enslaves the mother to a metaphysical concept.

id really like to see testing done to prove the child doesn't experience pain and fear before you go about deciding what is best for another beings body.